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PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 6:24 pm 
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Great to hear! Keep at it. I know exactly what you're talking about when you say a short-term recovery waning, so you're right to give it time. But this is excellent news. I'm glad for you, hope it continues.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 9:25 pm 
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you know pregnenlone is great for neurotransmitters....perhaps you should add that to your regimen.. just saying...


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 9:58 pm 
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I am in such a confused state. I have been taking 10000 IUD of vitamin D, Fish oil, and a supplement called Serotune. I have also been using cranial electrotherapy stimulation with the Alpha-stim SCS

I stopped fish oil and vitamin D a few days ago and have still continued to improve. The Serotune I have been using for about a week and 1/2 and I stopped taking that today. I usually take a Serotune around 10 AM.

I started Serotune and the cranial electrotherapy stimulation around the same time. I decided today I would stop the Serotune because I thought all my improvement was coming from the cranial electrotherapy stimulation. Big mistake.

By the time 2pm rolled around I experienced some of the heaviest brain fog ever. I started getting people and events and responsibilities I had at work all completely mixed up. I started acting almost like I was drunk. And with the heavy brain fog came profound sexual disfunction. I know because I tried to force my mind into the gutter a few times and I just couldn't do it.

Finally at 4PM I had enough of the flakey behavior and I took a Serotune. Within an hour I started feeling better again.

Right now my state is too fragile, too unstable, and the time isn't right to mess with a winning formula. I am going to stay on both for the time being and just continue to report my progress. So for at least the next week and 1/2 I am going to take the Serotune and do the cranial electrotherapy stimulation. I'll continue to report my findings on this thread.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 10:38 pm 
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Sounds like the best course of action.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 7:08 pm 
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I thoguht I would on the verge of beating this thing, but I'm now back where I started. Nothing is working for me. I've tried balancing neurotransmitters, I've tried cranial electrotherapy stimulation, I've tried every supplement imaginable, I've even tried psychiatry. Nothing helps. So frustrating, I can't believe this happened to me


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 9:06 pm 
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joetz wrote:
I thoguht I would on the verge of beating this thing, but I'm now back where I started. Nothing is working for me. I've tried balancing neurotransmitters, I've tried cranial electrotherapy stimulation, I've tried every supplement imaginable, I've even tried psychiatry. Nothing helps. So frustrating, I can't believe this happened to me


Same situation for me and alot of us. Nice warm day in NY today. Pretty girls out walking on their lunch hour. And you remember the physical response you used to get from that. Now, nothing. And you know it could be like that for years or forever. Thank God some things are finally starting to happen...


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 9:51 pm 
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boston332 wrote:
joetz wrote:
I thoguht I would on the verge of beating this thing, but I'm now back where I started. Nothing is working for me. I've tried balancing neurotransmitters, I've tried cranial electrotherapy stimulation, I've tried every supplement imaginable, I've even tried psychiatry. Nothing helps. So frustrating, I can't believe this happened to me


Same situation for me and alot of us. Nice warm day in NY today. Pretty girls out walking on their lunch hour. And you remember the physical response you used to get from that. Now, nothing. And you know it could be like that for years or forever. Thank God some things are finally starting to happen...



Same in Chi-town... Fuck my life...


Its the brain not connected to the penis feeling...... such a strange sad feeling it is....


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 12:34 am 
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Im seeing Dr. Jacobs this Friday. He would seem to be the person to ask about this treatment.


Dr. Jacobs saw the person who gived this treatment to JOETZ?

I think that is very important that all the doctors exchange theirs experience about the treatments of us. It is crucial to have a cure.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 10:26 pm 
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I'm seeing a neurotransmitter specialist again

Same one I started seeing at the beginning of the thread. I had some other problems come up in my life that forced me to stop my treatment but now I am in a position again where I can continue it. I had some moments where I honestly felt 100% cured so I still want to pursue this and see what comes of it

Just to make things interesting there is another discovery that you all might find of interest: the doctor says I have heavy metal toxicity

I'm on a detox program that is supposed to help clean up the heavy metal poisoning

Another note of interest: If you look symptoms for heavy metal poisoning it looks almost exactly like PFS. Loss of sex drive, headache, and forgetfulness or poor memory are all possible side effects.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 10:34 pm 
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joetz wrote:
the doctor says I have heavy metal toxicity

joetz - What test's did he run to confirm this? What metals? Are you getting chelation?


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 1:34 am 
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BadLuck wrote:
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the doctor says I have heavy metal toxicity

joetz - What test's did he run to confirm this? What metals? Are you getting chelation?


I didn't really understand the test. He was pushing my arm down and then he put a test tube full of mercury on my scalp and I felt weak and couldn't really hold my arm as steady. For me the proof will be if the heavy metal detox helps at all


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 4:04 am 
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joetz wrote:
For me the proof will be if the heavy metal detox helps at all


Any idea what that entails? I heard NAC is useful.


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joetz wrote:
BadLuck wrote:
joetz wrote:
the doctor says I have heavy metal toxicity

joetz - What test's did he run to confirm this? What metals? Are you getting chelation?


I didn't really understand the test. He was pushing my arm down and then he put a test tube full of mercury on my scalp and I felt weak and couldn't really hold my arm as steady. For me the proof will be if the heavy metal detox helps at all

That sounds immensely ridiculous. Heavy metal toxicity is confirmed with lab tests. This strikes me as a practitioner having nothing but a vague idea of the actual cause of PFS and pinning it on heavy metals. We don't have that. Just because the symptoms are similar doesn't make a proper diagnosis. I've really never heard of many things more insane than that supposed test, Joe.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 5:52 pm 
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Well without disclosing too much about myself, let's just say that there is something in my medical background that makes it very very likely that I could have mercury poisoning

Anyway, it's just a power I mix with water, no big deal to try drinking it and seeing if I feel better


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 8:48 pm 
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That test sounds like a scam or a bad joke performed by a real asshole of a doctor.
joetz, I seriously hope you aren't wasting a lot of money seeing this guy or buying products from him directly.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:43 pm 
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Dubya_B wrote:
That test sounds like a scam or a bad joke performed by a real asshole of a doctor.
joetz, I seriously hope you aren't wasting a lot of money seeing this guy or buying products from him directly.


I don't see the harm of drinking a cup of some water with some powder in it every morning to see

The real reason I am there is for the neurotransmitter stuff, which, based on prior experience I know for a fact CAN work. My problem was staying in my sweet spot of recovery for more than 3-4 days. If you guys go back to the beginning of the thread you'll see that there were days in 2010 where I could have gone to work as a porn star, and a damned good one at that lol

Anyway now for the relevant stuff, which is really why I am writing in this thread. Here is my current program

8:00 am: 2 neurorepletes, 2 tyrosinerepletes, 2 cysrepletes, 1 d5 macuna

Noon: 2 tyrosinerepletes, 2 cysrepletes

4:00 pm: 2 neurorepletes, 2 tyrosinerepletes, 2 cysrepletes, 1 d5 macuna

On Thursday I do a urine test and then adjust the intake based on the results, same as before


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 2:08 am 
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This is going to sound crazy but I do feel a lot better doing this heavy metal detox. I don't think it's a cure, but it's only been a week and I have made some gains in certain areas. I'm going to stay with it and see if I continue to improve.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:42 pm 
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Hi joertz,
can you please give me the name of the neurotransmitter specialists you have visited. What kind of profession (official wording) does that specialist have? Endo, Neuroendo?
Furthermore, who has prescribed the treatment against metal toxicity to you. (I have once done a hair analysis (holistic back relief California) and I have taken supps for 600$ and it hasn't helped)
I am from Germany.
Thanks for help.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 7:55 pm 
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Do you want to wait and see how I'm coming along before rolling up your sleeves and jumping in? This treatment is very expensive because the amino acids cost a fortune. I have seen marginal improvements in all areas but I am not cured yet and don't know if I will be cured.

If you want to see if you can find a specialist in Germany try going to the neuroassist website and use the contact info to find someone. They ask you for your name and location and contact info then they call you back with info on someone you can go see. If you can't find someone in Germany or Europe you seem to like california or at least know your way around Cali pretty well, having been there before, so maybe they can find someone in Cali for you to see

I don't think it has to be the same doctor I am seeing because they treatment is pretty set in stone. You go on these amino acids that stimulate all four classes of neurotransmitters, report how you feel and if you still feel flat, they have you pee in a cup. Based on the urine sample they make an adjustment in the amino acid dosage and you repeat the same process. Urine samples take a week to get results for so it's a tedious time consuming process that takes months. That's why I think it's better for you to try and find someone local to help you.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 6:44 am 
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joetz,
thank you for the info. It seems to be promising. I will follow your way and see what happens.
Wish you all the best.


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