PROPECIAHELP: Persistent Finasteride Propecia Proscar side effects info & discussion forum

Fair game italy. I'll get tested as one of my first resolutions once this all settles in deeper.

I hate returning here after only maybe 3 or 4 hours, but that's all it takes for Phenibut to kick you into ecstasy-having REM. I wanted to just say here - since I kinda woke up and the spiral of awesomeness lost a bit of it's whirlwind suction on me (AKA I lost the daze of unconscious sleep and woke up), but I fell asleep at about 5:45am. I woke up at... well it's 8am now. My ball felt VERY sucked in to my body and bigger. And lo and behold who do I wake up to but Captain Stiffo and his two first mates (lol). It was a morning erection. A very intense one for me too.

My penile spongy tissue will take some time to thicken, dilate and expand again with continued erections... and this does it for me, without the balls in working order, don't expect to pop any boners. Our bodies need to go through a major rebuilding, anabolic process to get the stuff needed to feel all of this again, and it can't happen over a matter of just 2 or 3 days for me. I say it will take a good week and a half to two weeks before I'm able to hold my own and think about pushing the Phenibut a bit further away.

My balls are working. My back feels better, but still a bit iffy, like I need to really take it easy. I had the mental image that my back felt better now because the glands were now hydrated and had absorbed more cool water, and even more-so, that their job is to "pump out the cooling waters" to the rest of my body when I was under stress, which happens more than I seem to even let myself know due to all of this. It was just a dream-like analogy to what I have suspected. I am in adrenal myopathy probably. My back can still ache. I need to take it easy. But no wonder my body composition, muscular strength sucks... these glands were kaput (at least this is how it feels to me).

I feel like staying hydrated is important for me. I feel like if I drink some good water - not too cold and not too warm, that it will relax me and I'll probably slip back into a slumber again. And I'm sorry to keep churning these out. It's just that I wanted to mention all of this while I was remembering it all.

I also woke up feeling a lot of affection and love for someone. I won't go into personal feelings and situations much at all, but this is what I have been missing. The ability for my body to allow my brain the freedom to feel this vital.

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When I was on ghb (on december and 1 week ago) I can say that deep sleep and (gaba) is /could be the key of our mess...I had to stop just cause of my very high aldosterone and want to understand it better about it,but I ll go back on my ghb routine soon,cause thanks to that I'm at the point where I can function and stay almost good all day... so for me ghb is a great stuff .

Intriguing.

I would not exactly suspect GHB would be contraindicated for high aldosterone/adrenal hyperplasia, except for two suspicions.

1 - I believe GHB contains sodium (Sodium Oxybate...not sure if this is always the case), and sodium retains water. Just like aldosterone. There might be a relationship.

2 - The commonly-known "dopamine surge" GHB gives its users, causing the awakening after 2-3 hours. Too much stimulating dopamine can cause stress, tension and hence make the adrenals stressed.

Can't believe I'm talking this much about the adrenals again... but I think it may be sensible to, particularly in my own case.

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interesting,I ll do some researches about aldosterone and ghb, but I can say for sure that mine was high before using ghb as well .

Onestly I was thinking at ghb when I saw my aldosterone so high,but didn't connect it about the sodium it has inside...so what could I do,that's the only stuff did something good at me . ...anyway if u find any study post it...
thanks 3PM !

Then I fail to see why you need to stop Alcover?

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I didn't understand ur question...anyway I tested 1year ago my aldosterone and it was high,not too much,but high...I would like to stay on ghb cause it helps,but I afraid for my aldosterone ,my pressure and I think it can interfere with dhiabetes too... more my cortisol has rised too ...

Just want to know what Phenibut is... on google I just can find it like a supplement,not as a drug...what's yours?

Phenibut's a derivative of GABA which can, unlike GABA itself, have an effect within the brain when consumed orally.

If your aldosterone was high even before Alcover use, I don't believe the GHB is increasing your aldosterone. There are many cases in which it is clear that GABA analogues are helpful in cases of adrenal stress.

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my aldosterone before ghb was 365 (range 35-300) I just used ghb for 3 weeks but not continuous (10 days max not stopping) and I took bloodtests 3 weeks after ghb and my aldosterone is 785 (range 35-300)... I have to investigate cause if it's the cause (paulwaters said it too that it can increase cortisol)... it can be dangerous playing with drugs (learned from propecia) .

so the Phenibut u are using is a supplement,not a drug ....right?

It's a chemical that has a nootropic effect. It is sold amongst most supplements because it is structurally very much like GABA, aside from it's cerebrochemical ability when ingested, which is unlike the GABA supplements sold. In Russia it is a drug, in USA it's a supplement, it's just a matter of semantics. All you need to know is that it is a chemical with a psychotropic effect.

You may be initially benefiting from the GABA effect of GHB, but then adrenally hurting from the dopaminergic "wake up" after-effect it is known to have. You may need to consider using something that has a simmilar effect as a GABA analogue initially, but doesn't have withdrawl symptoms.

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Sometimes, like anyone else, when I remain in water long enough I get the pruny fingertips and skin. That's usually in a bath. I take showers for at least 2 years now and haven't had this happen before, and it has. I was in the shower for 10 minutes, it was a brief one. I know this definitely has something to do with my adrenals and kidneys.

I think I have high aldosterone... as high sodium would make me absorb water. It makes sense.

I think this is all from over-stressing my adrenals yesterday. I will keep a personal journal chronicling the subtleties of my progress, and report back when necessary. Just thought this might add to the discussion.

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why don't u get bloodtests first (adrenals too) and after that start ur routine ??...so if something happens u 'll know what is going on and what the changes are...

Because I don't have easy access to a doctor who can and will co-operate with me in this endeavor, and because I simply don't believe that one snapshot of the hormones is something to define an entire diagnosis on when so many things can change throughout the day. I have been so scarred by turning to these people for assistance and getting absolutely nothing out of it while giving everything I could possibly give to convey myself as credible that I merely do not feel it is worth my time.

EDIT: That's a harsh response to such a simple proposition, full of baggage. It's good though, that I now can both fully feel this and an express this, rather than merely feel it inside and convolutedly describe it. That in itself is a hurdle to jump for me. All a part of re-learning to regulate my emotions.

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I can say that before I started xyrem/ghb I was at my worst with all my post-fin symptoms. From an emotional standpoint obviously there's the anxiety, social withdrawl, and depression I was going through as many others here do. The thing is though no matter how bad my situation was and how upset I was about everything I was just sort of numb. My life was falling apart, I was miserable, but the thing is I couldn't even bring myself to cry, like I literally couldnt do it. Then after about a week or so on xyrem I remember getting into an emotional argument with my parents one day, and I just bawled my eyes out. On one hand I was miserable, but it was like I could actually feel things again and overall I felt better. that's the best way i can sort of describe it.

In terms of the dopamine withdrawl the next day I think it has to do with the effect xyrem and the surge in gaba has on it. On one hand I felt out of it a bit the following day from taking it, but if i took a night off the sleep i would get would be fantastic and i would feel almost normal the next day. i think this is cause my body was actually able to process and make dopamine again and I have a theory about this. thats about the best i have to offer.

Okay, great responses, thank you.


Precisely my point. This has been bumpy for me with Phenibut, because I am seeing exactly how much I have become incapable of affecting change in my life, and how estranged I was from emotions, which really is essential to a happy and stable life. The issue is merely that when I get the "withdrawl" feeling, and the alertness taxes my adrenals too deeply, I may succumb to the pre-state of difficulty accessing proper words/feelings, and I have been bugging out. Once you return to feeling again, you do not want to ever go back to the way things were before. My catharses have been both about getting angry that I do have the capacity to burn out, and the mere fact that I need to now control my emotions that I am feeling, rather than go crazy with them. It is 100% true that this ordeal taxes you psychologically, it's just that as a typical guy I took it in stride and refused to acknowledge it (couldn't do much else w/ stunted neurochemical capacity/hormonal production). So yeah, it's rough, and everyone needs to be aware of that.

Last night I prepared my final dosage of Phenibut in the cycle, at 1.5g. I had it all ready, I poured out the powder into the Nyquil cap, had the protein drink handy, but then I simply passed out on my own before doing anything else. So I am not fully sure what I intend to do. My body can get tired - the brain most notably - so yes ithappens, it seems that with Phenibut as well, it is good to stay off a day just to tell your brain and body to start going into deep sleep on its own. My sleep was just about as enjoyable.

Sexual function: There. My balls continue to rest closer to my body, and growing. I simply am resting this area.

Mental function: Good. 80% better than before, but always in need to allow the symptoms of brain fog to fully heal.

Physical function: Body feels better, I am just aware that I need to not over-do anything for a while. Maybe one week or more.

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Did I say that!?
I think ur thinkin 'Softie!

Although I do drink too much coffee, which I think I really need to stop. I really wish I could get off of caffeine. I really want to stop caffeine, but I can't.
Idk, maybe I just need more than 6-7 hours of sleep average, or better ...everything.

Late

Or, maybe, you cannot stop caffeine because you are instinctively pushing yourself over the "down-time" that an adrenal fatigue scenario, which finasteride can obviously cause, is bothering you. You might also be GABA-deficient if your sleep is bad, this potentially describing why you have had low hormones in the past (hasn't really been mentioned here but I found many links). You are apparently getting better tho, so congrats. Maybe coffee ain't a problem for you...but its more than just slight w/ you, since you were on provigil (i think?), adderall, and other stimulant drugs. Sounds diagnostically relevant to me.

Oh and then...OH MY WHAT IS THIS? lol, oh snap.

Make sure you're getting restorative sleep boston. Your body should be capable of giving you all the alertness you need.

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Pretty crafty dude! Even I didn't remember the last time I did a bump! You have a good memory.

Yeah, I'm almost recovered. Had u seen my few posts last week about first "normal" erections in two years? Then today, had a little beat off session. Buckets of sperm. Super rod too!!
Was great.
Still a little prostate irritation, but now I just think I need a good girl, to have good regular sexual relations with, and then keep eating healthy and take care of my body, plenty of sleep, and I should get past this soon!
I've been cycling like a madman, and eating total prostate healthy diet, very little redmeat or dairy, little sugar.

Good luck to you too bro!

Thanks. Good to hear you're having significant success for sure.

You keep going on about the prostate boston. Why. Were you ever checked out in that area? How many times? What did they have to say?

Ironically, I do have a swelling b/w my asscrack and my hairy sack of magic, which I'm not too sure about myself. I have had it looked at by the doctor who prescribed me the fin just last year (why would I go back to him??? Jeez.) and he said it was from constipation. Then again, he did not fish around in the butt, just felt the swelling. I did have some constipation and bloating at the time, but I went through hell (there are a few parts of my story unmentioned here, but they don't pertain to anything medically relevant). So I don't know, but I do know this much - the prostate is an important part of a good erection and having enjoyable sexual experiences. Lately, it feels like possibly mine may be flooding with androgen, but I pee fine. In fact I pee better than usual.

What has Crisler said about your status? And why do you have a history of using stimulants?

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