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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 10:58 pm 
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I think the HGH is most likely helping along with the arimidex(possibly). have you tried splitting up your arimidex dosage to .25mg every day?


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 11:06 pm 
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No Anonnn I haven't tried splitting into daily doses as this protocol is doing good...so far...let's see how long it lasts.The true test will come at the end of this cycle as I ease off each product individually.That will most likely narrow it down.I will begin with easing off the oral Test...then the injectable Test and Arimidex together...and lastly the HGH(as this one is for over four months).


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 11:11 am 
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Why the massive doses of T and masteron-- 400 and 600, respectively, from what i have read? Why not start at say, 100 mg test per week (this would likely take you to the top of the range-- I'm 225 lbs and it takes me to over 1000 ng/dl for TT) and maybe 50-100 mg of masteron per week and then work your way up gradually? I know this sucks and we would all like to find a quick solution, but more is not necessarily better-- doses this large can screw you up badly-- the amounts you're talking about are a pretty hefty steroid cycle, after all.

Also, masteron is fairly anti-estrogenic, so i'm guessing if you did it without the T there's a good chance that, at 600 mg a week (?!?) your problems are a result of driving E2 too low.

Very curious.... thanks!


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 11:16 pm 
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Good point Growling...about driving E2 too low...but I'm taking a break from Masteron as I pursue the other drugs.And BTW I was running 100mgs a week of Test while running the Masteron but as I said the effects slowed after a few weeks.Now,for your next question, keep in mind that I was on TRT for over 7 years before running into troubles from Fin.For those 7 yrs or so,my libido and sexual function was amazing at a dose of 100mgs per week of Test.Something changed in our bodies and therefore a normal replacement dose seems to have no effect...same applies for the Masteron.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 12:55 am 
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I see, and I realize that supraphysiological doses are often necessary in these cases, but I think that the doses you're talkng about seem a bit extreme. Do you get regular bloodwork done? Crisler claims to have good luck with supra doses of t to about 50% above the top of the normal range plus dht cream to same for post-fin problems. I'm not sure how linear dose increases are for test... anyone know offhand? I'm at top of range on about 100 mg per week, but at 200 mg per week I start to get polycythemia.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 9:42 pm 
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Well Dustin...I haven't gone past 400mgs Test per week...yet.I wonder if 4 or 5 weeks at that dose would resolve the ED.I'm afraid of receptor desensitivity from too high a dose.
As for your question about Cialis...I was recommended to stay with one or two Levitra tabs per week(as needed) as Cialis has a longer half life and over time would be less effective.I suppose the same is true of Viagra/Levitra if they were used on too frequent a basis.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 9:48 pm 
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from my understanding, and the papers mew has listed on androgen insensitivity in the other studies section, high doses of androgens do not cause androgen insensitivity, but can actually overcome it. It is likely that you are already partially androgen insensitive.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 12:59 am 
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Time for an update on my protocol.I eased off the oral Test in late June and things remained good for several weeks after.I am currently on 400mg/wk of injectable Test Blend along with 1 to 2 tabs/wk Arimidex along with the HGH.
I am experiencing an overall loss of libido with "horny days" becoming more and more rare.I've had weeks with uncontrollable libido followed by bouts of no libido.I have good nocturnal erections and I find that if I masturbate before sleeping,my dick is hard all night and I usually wake up with wood.Just an observation.
Hard to understand what's going on here......
Golf...you had mentioned that I might be already partially androgen insensitive.Do you think this was caused by Fin alone or by too much HRT?


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 3:24 am 
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This maybe my last update on this protocol as I'm realizing that the problem is not solved with HRT.I finished HGH last week and am on 400mg/wk of Test,but my libido has faded away and my nocturnal erections are a bit more flaccid.This decline has happened over the last four to six weeks.I am to the point of completely avoiding sexual relations,as even with Levitra,the erection is not solid as there is no libido behind it.At this point my plan is to lower the Test doses gradually,over a few weeks,and focus on other possible causes such as Neurotransmitters and Thyroid issues.
P.S.I am planning to get Adiol-G tested while still on high dose Test to see if an increase has occurred.And even if it has...it makes no difference on my sexual dysfunctions.As I noted several months back,while on Masteron,the sexual boost was only temporary.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 10:04 pm 
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It's in the brain my friend...Seek a qualified psyciatrist who will help you....


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 7:05 pm 
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Well Anonnn we are about to find out soon...I spoke to my psych this morning and he is willing to let me try Wellbutrin.Cross your fingers as I hope it will help some of us.


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nice idea.. i am going to consider over dose dht to treat some secondary hypogonadism..

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 5:59 pm 
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whalen72 wrote:
Well Anonnn we are about to find out soon...I spoke to my psych this morning and he is willing to let me try Wellbutrin.Cross your fingers as I hope it will help some of us.

updates?


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