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cool thanks!!!

I think better yet would be a list to AVOID.. Heres my two:

Cipro - I had eye floaters (these REALLY suck) develop after taking this and it didn't help me at all with my prostate issues.

Milk thistle - initially gained better sexual function (for 1-2 days) only to have it plummet to complete impotence later...I'm slowly gaining it back but this one needs to be avoided. It also increased my gyno & lumpiness in my chest

guys please take aloe vera!

Good idea with the avoid list. I had a 3 day setback after having a couple beers for the first time in a couple years. Couldn't believe two beers was all it took. Half assed erections at best. It had been well over 3 yrs since my penis was that bad.

Thankfully, it's close to what it was before the alcohol crash now. I know some seem to get better on alcohol, but, unless you know for sure you do... I strongly suggest to avoid alcohol.

"Correcting Abnormal Levels

Ultimately, the ideal program will depend on the results of various tests. Below are some of the common scenarios and solutions to correct hormone imbalances.

Low Free Testosterone, High Estradiol, Mid Total Testosterone

This situation suggests excessive aromatase activity, which converts free testosterone to estrogen. Inhibition of aromatase and reduction in aromatase-containing tissue (fat) is indicated. Suggestions include:

Take the following supplements:
Zinc—50 milligrams (mg)/day
Acetyl-L-carnitine—1000 to 2000 mg/day
Muira puama—850 mg/day
Chrysin—1500 mg/day
Piperine—10 mg/day to enhance absorption of chrysin
Quercetin—500 to 1000 mg/day
Lose weight to reduce aromatase activity.
Reduce or eliminate alcohol to enable the liver to better remove excess estrogen.
Review all current medications to see if they are interfering with healthy liver function. Common medications that affect liver function are nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs) such as naproxen, ibuprofen, acetaminophen, and aspirin; the statin class of cholesterol-lowering drugs; some heart medications; some blood pressure–lowering medications; and some antidepressants. Drugs being prescribed to treat the symptoms of testosterone deficiency (such as the statins and certain antidepressants) may actually aggravate the testosterone deficit, thus making the cholesterol problem or depression worse. However, do not discontinue any prescription medicine without consulting your physician.
If all of the above fail to increase free testosterone and lower excess estradiol, consider discussing with your physician the use of the aromatase inhibitor anastrozole at the very low dose of 0.5 mg twice per week.
Low Free Testosterone, Low Estrogen, High Total Testosterone

This situation suggests excessive SHBG levels, making testosterone unavailable to target tissues. Suggestions include:

Inhibit aromatase by following some of the recommendations in the previous section. Many of the same factors are involved in excess SHBG activity.
Take the following supplements:
Saw palmetto extract—320 mg/day
Nettle root extract—240 mg/day
Cruciferous vegetable extract—400 mg/day
DHEA—15 to 75 mg/day, followed by blood tests in 3 to 6 weeks
Low Free Testosterone, Low Estrogen, Low Testosterone

This situation suggests low production of testosterone, with resultant low conversion to estrogen. Suggestions include:

Use testosterone patches, pellets, or cream. Do not use testosterone injections or tablets. If tests reveal low levels of LH, ask your physician about the possibility of using human chorionic gonadotropin (HCG). HCG function is similar to LH function, and HCG can restart gonadal production of LH.
Take 15 to 75 mg/day of DHEA.
General Nutrients to Boost Testosterone

A number of nutrients have been studied for their ability to boost testosterone and/or treat conditions such as erectile dysfunction and loss of libido. This nutrient group includes antioxidants, which may function by reducing oxidative damage to testosterone-producing tissues.

Selenium—200 micrograms (mcg)/day
Vitamin A—5000 International Units (IU)/day
Vitamin E—400 IU/day with at least 200 mg of gamma-tocopherol"

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"Pituitary Gland Not Function As It Should To Low Androgens - Low Test, Low LH, Low FSH, Low HGH"

I'd scratch saw palmetto off that list. That is just asking for trouble and surely finding it.

Low doses of saw palmetto are ok for reducing estogen. I'm sure if you have enough of Saw Palmetto your going to get sides from it, I know the guys who had sides on here most defintley probably took high doses of the stuff, it's action is not as strong as Propecia. Though I don't want to argue with these guys who go shit sides from it.

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"Pituitary Gland Not Function As It Should To Low Androgens - Low Test, Low LH, Low FSH, Low HGH"

Saw palmetto is Russian roulette. That's all there is to it.

Yeah up to you guys. I've just been told its effective for reducing estrogen. Though it's probably not highly recommended given the cirucmstances.

My personal Favourite supplement every morning helps with brain fog.

http://www.berocca.com/en/products/berocca-performance/index.php

Each tablet contains Effervescent Film coated
Vitamin C 500 mg 500 mg
Thiamin (Vitamin B1) 15 mg 15 mg
Riboflavin (Vitamin B2) 15 mg 15 mg
Niacin (Vitamin B3) 50 mg 50 mg
Vitamin B6 10 mg 10 mg
Vitamin B12 10 μg 10 μg
Pantothenic acid 23 mg 23 mg
Biotin 150 μg 150 μg
Folic acid 400 μg 400 μg
Calcium 100 mg 100 mg
Magnesium 100 mg 100 mg
Zinc 10 mg 10 mg

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"Pituitary Gland Not Function As It Should To Low Androgens - Low Test, Low LH, Low FSH, Low HGH"

Hey guys!

Please read what I wrote before.

We make a summary of all natural Treatments that people have uses. Than I am making a big webbased poll, a survey that will show asa diagramm, which suff works, which not and whathas negativ sides. understand what i mean? So please just ad things to the list that are missing.

You just than have to click on the option. Like I wrote at the beginning of this Post.

Next step is a list aof other treatments and how they work.

There will be a Stuff in the list of the surveyy, than you can click on it when used, than you can than you have options to add your comment like:

tryed: helped: Effect: Sustain: wore off: Sideeffects: Usage/dosage: Brand: Recommend: Free Text for owen comment.

There will also be to each point a free text field.

any qestions please ask.

this is fantastic, thank you

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the only thing that helped me after a year off propecia was the combination of zinc and carots ( 5 mg zinc suspension tabs) 2 carots , in about 10 minutes I had an almost full rigid erection . It only helped me one week. also drink a bit coffee but not too much otherwise your dick shrinks . I would give it a try for everyone who suffers less than a year.

Saw palmetto is good for your health. I have already started taking SP again, who says this is bad for you. Guys just use it, it is all in your heard.

OMFG spstriken!!! This such a awsome Idea! I´ll take some fin too again. This works better than those natural stuff.

I was just sarcastic, by no means I would ever again touch this poison. This would be a suicide.

me too!

Comedians.

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"Pituitary Gland Not Function As It Should To Low Androgens - Low Test, Low LH, Low FSH, Low HGH"

yes but you are biggest comedian when think SP is safer.

Agreed - Avoid saw palmetto like the plague.

Hello

I also think this is a really good idea, but it needs a lot more structure. We must note that between us we have tried likely 1000s of different variations of supplements, some brands work different to others etc, so the supplement list needs to also contain the specific brand name. Ideally we need a spreadsheet of all the things people have tried and specific benefits they gained, if it lasted and a few other bits of information. We then this table published somewhere so people can reference it.

Brainbug, PM me I have a few ideas.

Chi