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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 5:16 am 
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Anyone found an optimal daily dosage? How often during the day? How about the cycling periods?


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 6:55 pm 
Hi, I'm the guy who posted the thread about FRESH royal jelly on the other forum (ejaculatory anhedonia).

I think you guys have to try the real stuff, if you are in toronto, the address below will sell you the right fresh royal
jelly that gave me great orgasms for many months (around 5-6 I think), now it has worn off.

FRESH royal jelly is a stuff that comes in a little tub and has to be kept frozen. i will stop it for one week
or two because it's no longer working for me, but it gave me orgasms that i had never had since using finasteride,
when i was 27/28yo.
i'm trying out new things now, and am doing a DHT test to see how finasteride, minoxidil and ssri's, saw palmetto
have affected my DHT levels. though to be honest, it's long since i discontinue all of them, except for minoxidil and
saw palmetto, which was about 1 year ago.

I know it can't be psychological, because there are days that you are simply very horny and when you cum, the orgasm
is great, whereas other you try in vain to no avail.
i know i'm cumless again cause my cock is not exuding any scent, and when I was on FRESH royal jelly, it used to exude a lot
of cock scent.
so that is a 100% accurate way for me to identify if I am "normal" or not. lately I haven't been normal. it's been 1-1.5 months
that FRESH royal J. has stopped working for me.

I will give it a 2 week rest and retry.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 8:26 pm 
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jose wrote:
i know i'm cumless again cause my cock is not exuding any scent, and when I was on FRESH royal jelly, it used to exude a lot
of cock scent.


As depressed as i am. I actually laugh out loud at posts like this. Although as funny as it is, it's stuff like this that make people viewing from the outside think were strange.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 8:41 pm 
@UK20...

UK20, that phrase may seem silly or strange to you, but it's one of the most incredible findings
about my EA I was ever able to figure out.
someone who is knowledgeable about the male sexual mechanism would be able
to point out what chemistry, chemical combination is responsible for your penis exuding such a scent.
that said, that's the chemical composition i should seek for, manage to attain.

but for me it's only an infallible way to tell whether I'm under EA effects or not. I've been badly missing
that scent since 1.5 months ago. I like it actually, it's the bearer of good news for me.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 8:48 pm 
has anybody tested their estrogen levels with RJ use?

could it be that that's what causes us to lose the gains after a while, cause addition T turns into estrogen?


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 3:18 am 
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NM, deleted my post. guess we're all strange cases myself included. Thought this guy was just out to hock products for the store he mentioned at the bottom of his post, but I could be wrong.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 3:22 am 
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someone who is knowledgeable about the male sexual mechanism would be able
to point out what chemistry, chemical combination is responsible for your penis exuding such a scent.
that said, that's the chemical composition i should seek for, manage to attain.


Uh yea... unless your talking about smegma, your penis shouldn't "stink".

Sorry, but this is ridiculous. Posts like this are one of the reasons people don't take this site seriously. Please refrain from posting nonsense.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 3:46 am 
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jose wrote:
has anybody tested their estrogen levels with RJ use?

could it be that that's what causes us to lose the gains after a while, cause addition T turns into estrogen?

it could be estrogen. or it could be that the body needs it to be cycled. much like when i used to get great results from a tribulus product called dymatize z-force. unfortunately that no longer works for me.

i would give it more than 2 weeks off.

jose...what other treatments have you tried? trt, natural herbs????


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 3:56 am 
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someone who is knowledgeable about the male sexual mechanism would be able
to point out what chemistry, chemical combination is responsible for your penis exuding such a scent.
that said, that's the chemical composition i should seek for, manage to attain.


Uh yea... unless your talking about smegma, your penis shouldn't "stink".

Sorry, but this is ridiculous. Posts like this are one of the reasons people don't take this site seriously. Please refrain from posting nonsense.

I do not have smegna or anything similar, but yet I can def tell a difference in smells and no smell on certain days with my penis.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 4:31 am 
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someone who is knowledgeable about the male sexual mechanism would be able
to point out what chemistry, chemical combination is responsible for your penis exuding such a scent.
that said, that's the chemical composition i should seek for, manage to attain.


Uh yea... unless your talking about smegma, your penis shouldn't "stink".

Sorry, but this is ridiculous. Posts like this are one of the reasons people don't take this site seriously. Please refrain from posting nonsense.

I'm sure that Beavis and Butthead are whooping it up over the story, and I'm sorry if it ruins your image with the cool kids, but I was recently having the same effect, particularly strongly while on RJ, though I did not get cured. And for one of our cure stories at the ejaculatory anhedonia site, the wife of a fellow sufferer who was cured reported a change in the smell of his penis prior in weeks to his first orgasm, and continuing thereon.

Do you really think that you know all the possible things that a body can do better than we can notice a smell in our own crotches? Better than a wife, who would get a much more "up close and personal" sample of the smell? Or do you think it's an elaborate hoax for grins and giggles, and we're finally delivering the punchline of smelly cocks - ha ha ha?

If people didn't post what was considered nonsense by "most people", this site would have never gotten off the ground, since "everyone knew" that it was ridiculous to suggest that finasteride could cause lingering sexual dysfunction and depression.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 2:55 pm 
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Mikey wrote:
I took 2 teaspoons per day for 3 weeks, had no effect whatsoever that i noticed


Hi, I am new here. I am following this forum for a month. My problems lasts for couple of yrs.

I talked to expert today. He said that frozen form in unprotected since stomach acid destroys it. He reccomend me capsules (he produces it) and ordered right dose for my waight . Capsules are protected, and that way jelly can get to cistern intestine (sorry for my lausy english). Also, at experts advice, I should avoid some sorts of food. Hope I will have results from JB. So greetings and hear you soon, Desperado.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 6:45 pm 
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striken wrote questionmark, so I ll correct my post:

1. FRESH FORM of RJ is very hard to keep and very hard to get, once you took it out from apiary, quickly becomes very unstable and hard to keep its active ingredients, so it is neccesary to process it to save effects.(dont know exact procedures).
2. FROZEN FORM is allegedly ok, but you cant take enough advantages of it. You could: a) swallow it, but then you have problem with stomach acid which will make it less potent (degrade it).
b) keep it under togue as long as possible- (with intention to absorb it through glands in your mouth). Dont know, but this could be insecure.

3. CAPSULE FORM- like i said, if (and only if) capsules are well patented and hard enough to provide that RJ powder gets to cistern intestine you should get your wanted effect.

I take 9 capsules x 500 mg daily (dose is: 500 mg per 10 kilo) and so far, monitoring improvement.

I cycled RJ in 2 cycles: first 7 days of 9 capsules, than only zinc tablets for couple of days, than again RJ.

Cheers mates,
Desperado.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 6:21 am 
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been a while since anyone has posted here. So whats the general consensus on royal jelly? worth trying out or is it no different than the other supplements?


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 9:03 am 
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 9:13 pm 
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Despo111 wrote:
I talked to expert today. He said that frozen form in unprotected since stomach acid destroys it. He reccomend me capsules (he produces it) and ordered right dose for my waight . Capsules are protected, and that way jelly can get to cistern intestine (sorry for my lausy english).

That sounds like complete BS to me.

He's recommending capsules he produces. What a coincidence. That doesn't prove anything in itself. Maybe he's the only one clever enough to make the capsules properly. OR, it allows him to make more money. Could be either. Let's see.

The main point of gelatin capsules over tablets is that they dissolve easily. Get a glass. Put some lukewarm water in it. Drop in a capsule. See how long it takes to dissolve.

I tried that little experiment. 3 minutes. A capsule probably doesn't make it all the way down your throat in 3 minutes. And when it does, it bathes in warm stomach acid, instead of warm water.

You try the experiment, and let us know how it turns out.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 9:19 pm 
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flamingpie wrote:
been a while since anyone has posted here. So whats the general consensus on royal jelly? worth trying out or is it no different than the other supplements?

I would say it is worth trying out.

Some people see huge benefits, bigger than most supplements, but diminishing over time, like most supplements. Most people aren't helped, again, like most supplements.

I think the diminishing returns is a problem of dosing, for this and most other supplements that trigger LH release. Crisler recommends taking HCG no more than 2- times a week, and I'd think the same applies here.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 1:20 pm 
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nofun wrote:
I think the diminishing returns is a problem of dosing, for this and most other supplements that trigger LH release. Crisler recommends taking HCG no more than 2- times a week, and I'd think the same applies here.


That sound like a real BS.

RJ is not HCG. It stabilises hormone patterns, but most of its effect is probably in numerous amino-acids which have antimicrobial effect. Do you know how it works? No, you dont. Do you have the proof it "triggers LH release"? You dont.So dont talk nonsenses.

To answer on your claims:
1. Rojal jelly must survive the stomach acid in order to get to small intestine. From there it is absorbed to blood. I had it in capsule form, and that capsule form has more quality than those in drugstores.
2. I didnt ordered my package from any company or from some buisness manager either. I bought it from domestic man who I personally know, who doesnt need any commercials and wants to stay private. He is expert in bee-field, familliar with medicine and doesnt make a money through sick people.


Desperado.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 9:07 pm 
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Despo111 wrote:
That sound like a real BS.

RJ is not HCG. It stabilises hormone patterns, but most of its effect is probably in numerous amino-acids which have antimicrobial effect. Do you know how it works? No, you dont. Do you have the proof it "triggers LH release"? You dont.So dont talk nonsenses.

On LH, I posted a couple of links to papers earlier in the thread:
http://www.propeciahelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=36984#p36984

If you take the time to do a search, you can find numerous studies on Royal Jelly and testosterone, LH, prolactin, etc.

I know I'm just a crazy person and all, and the person selling you the pills is a real expert, but why don't you try that experiment with warm water and one of his capsules? Then you can come back and tell me how wrong I am again.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 9:02 am 
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nofun wrote:
Despo111 wrote:
That sound like a real BS.

RJ is not HCG. It stabilises hormone patterns, but most of its effect is probably in numerous amino-acids which have antimicrobial effect. Do you know how it works? No, you dont. Do you have the proof it "triggers LH release"? You dont.So dont talk nonsenses.

On LH, I posted a couple of links to papers earlier in the thread:
http://www.propeciahelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=36984#p36984

If you take the time to do a search, you can find numerous studies on Royal Jelly and testosterone, LH, prolactin, etc.

I know I'm just a crazy person and all, and the person selling you the pills is a real expert, but why don't you try that experiment with warm water and one of his capsules? Then you can come back and tell me how wrong I am again.


Listen,
I will be as short as possible: am really not a kind of person for pointless debates. I certainly have no need to "put capsule in warm water". I took those capsules and noticed they have effect, since I was consulted by known person who have credibility and many years of experience. I bought RJ from him rather than on-line shopping ect. I am not planning to continue with this discussion. What is your point, anyway? I am only passing that there are some better products and some of less quality.

Capsules must be firm enough to make possible for active component to get into small intestine. I was informed by someone whos credibility in his field is well-known that those capsules are of better quality than others in drugstores. Let me say just that he doesnt have a buissness at all with RJ, because it is very complicated procedure and there is a lot of effort to make RJ. I am not saying that you will not suceed with organic form, but than you have to absorb it in mouth, not in a gut.

Second, RJ has effect on pitutiary as well as antibacterial and antifungal effect on urogenital system and prostate gland, thats out of the question. But, if you report that you had some improvement by RJ to specialist-endocrynologhyst (like I did) you will get an answer: "how do you know it is not a placebo?". Only equal-rated answer on that question would be: "how do I know that your a not an idiot?".

My point is: medical doctor will not recognize effects on natural drugs no matter how it helps (or articles printed on RJ), because it is not a chemical drug, they dont know its mechanism of work and they are not learning about RJ in their text-book.

Furhermore, there are numerous proves of anti-pathogen effect of RJ, since its incredible amino-acids helps immune system to fight invaders. If you use little of your time, you can find proves for that too.

Cause of PFS is not known, thus you can not claim that you have problem with pitutiary gland. For example, I tested my LH and FSH and results were normal. Endocrynologhyst couldnt help in my case. Thats the reason I have alternative view on PFS cause.

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