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UPDATE MARCH 17, 2011: USER HAS NOT RECOVERED/RELAPSED.

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I haven't posted on this site since around January.
If you don't know my story you can read it under the section for Personal Stories -- viewtopic.php?p=17116#p17116

I've waited till I was sure I was recovered and some time has passed before I told anyone this.

I had been completely impotent for over a year and my testicles swung really low and if I ever forced ejaculation it was discolored and low amounts.

I have been through about 100 different types of supplements and spent thousands on hormone testing to no avail.

I am a personal Trainer and I started losing muscle and strength so I wanted to force some muscle growth. What I am about to tell you is not safe but the side effect for me Iwill disclose shortly.

I used a product called H-Drol whch is a Pro-Hormone Halodrol Clone. I took 90 milligrams (3 pills) a day for 6 weeks while lifting. I noticed increased hair loss and muscles growing and strength increase.

After 6 weeks I started a 4 week estrogen blocker coupled with 6 Weeks on a Trib product called Blue Up at 3 pills a day. After I had stopped the exstrogen blocker with about 2 days left on the Blue up my Testicles started to ache a little. Like the kind of ache when I was on Propecia. That lasting slightly painful ache. 2 Days later I got a rock hard erection on my way home from work. My Erection medicine had one pill left so I hurried to my girls and had full unassisted sex with a rocket penis.

It's been over a month now with nothing but multivitamins and I'm slowly getting more and more erections at night and everytime I want to have sex I can! My sex drive is back.

I can't express to you guys how blessed I feel and how much I hope you can get the same. I always associated my ability to procreate with being a man and felt less than during that period. I maintain hope that I will continue to be well.

Let me know if you want more details on the products, I'm an open book and I will provide links to the exact products but I'm at the office and can't access those sites now.

Be well.

Very happy for you man. Congrats.

Please post the products, I'm interested in reviewing them.

good stuff man!

but i have to say, even for a more mild oral compound as to say a full testosterone cycle you would have needed a good PCT with clomid or nolva

apparently the blue up which is trib and tongkat ali worked to start your testosterone production again

estrogen levels would be high after cycle which is why the estrogen blocker worked

would you mind to post previous bloodwork details?

did you perhaps have high estradiol to begin with, this could have been remedied with arimidex

thanks

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BLUE UP www.bodybuilding.com/store/clabs/blue.html
INHIBIT E www.bodybuilding.com/store/sns/in.html

Like I said, I have tried other supplements including Trib Products alone and none worked for me and I felt nothing.
This kick started me.
I will post the lab test once I get them out of storage, I just moved. My 3 Adiol-G was extremely low.
Just off the top of my head it was a Scale of 1000nm to 2500nm or so and I was at 1049 or something of the like.
Hope this helps.

Did you ever try prescription T & Anti-estrogens? Basically, did you ever run a true bodybuilding cycle or did you stick to supplements?

I have never done anything prescription. However I don't have any sources for that and no doctor was eager to help me as the Endos I went to referred me to Andrologists because they were clueless. One was helpful and when she examined me she even said my testes looked deflated and dead. They don't look or feel that was anymore.

so, exactly how long have you deemed yourself "recovered?" also, specifically, I'm wondering how "recovered" you would call the girth at the base of your unerect and erect penis is AND how much urgency you feel to urinate. one more thing: how recovered is your skin? meaning, is it now more moist and oily (in other words, "normal," all over your body)?

I really hope you do check back on this website occasionally or that you have the "receive email notification of PM" on your options for this site. I am not ready to make the full-on effort/regimen to recover from this ATM because of my injured foot, but I certainly will make a very good effort in the future.

I really do feel back to 100% size and feel wise. My skin is normal, my un-erect penis adjusts with temperature, my scrotum is closer to my body.
I feel it's been about a month, but I have been having sex everyday without the use of Levitra since... just because I can and want to. I even made a dumb decision with some chick.. and I knew I was being run by hormones.. it made me happy.

Like I said, I'm an open book. I do have PM on and will disclose everything asked if it will help anyone.

I think you should get a blood test ( LH and FSH) and post it over here

If he say's he's 100%, there's really no need for a blood test, don't you think. Would you care what your numbers were if you felt 100%? I wouldn't.

I am very interested in seeing if LH and FSH really went up plus something in papers tells you more clearly what is going on in your body. feeling 100% ok was ok when we were normal. No body really cared at that time.

Those tests are expensive, I've already spent so much money on the others. I am functioning properly.

If I was 100% I wouldn't care now. How I feel and function is all that matters to me.

I have a high deductible insurance plan and I can't afford to drop another couple hundred right now. I'll call my doctor and see what she says.

Keep us updated. If anybody else is successful with this regime i'll give it a try.

I believe we are stuck in a bad hormonal loop just as bodybuilders who took steroids and didn't do a proper PCT have the same symptoms we have. I've read over at anabolicminds.com someone doing something similar.

Here is a quote over at anabolic minds.com

"i feel that if youre body has already worked itself into a bad homeostatic hormone loop...it is probably going to stay that way. I viewed re-supressing my HPTA and then re-jumpstarting it correctly as "reset button"."
He did this:
. i ran 6 weeker of testosterone propionate and then blasted my HPTA with a chlomid/nolva combo. Sex drive and function was back within a week.

I also believe this. This is why I regularly spend time on some of the muscle chat message boards. Many of these guys have been through similar hormonal loop, so to speak. They know what works.

But over here here few tried clomid and nolva with failure. May be we need more who can try. I want to do nolva but honestly my knowledge is very little and am afraid of sides.

I'm not too famailar on the subject, I think others have tried to reset the HPTA.

This 28 year old did steriods and pct and didnt recover "It has been close to 3 months since I completed that PCT protocol. I've noticed that my libido has not been ideal and have been battling ED occasionally. I recently got my hormones tested and here is what has come in so far:"

LH: 2.13 (1.5-9.3)
FSH: .52 (1.4-18.1)
TSH: 1.91 (0.35-5.5)
Free T4: 1.24 (.89-1.76)
Free T3: 3.4 (2.3-4.2)
Total Testosterone: 306.76 (241-827)
Free Test: *waiting on results*
This is what Dr. Scally responed with"

"I would immediately stop all of the supplements, particularly tribulus. It appears that AAS use might have suppressed partially the HPTA. The use of clomiphene or tamoxifen will raise the T level, but the question is if this will cause the HPTA to reset up. I doubt it.

I do think it worthwhile to use the protocol I describe. It mus be done as written. The use of hCG or SERMs incorrectly will cause the protocol to be useless. There is no reason for the hMG unless there is a fertility issue. If the T remains low normal afterwards, use TRT for 12-18 months with an attempt at HPTA restoration. A recent 2007 NEJM article indicates the HPTA does have plasticity. In my experience, I have had many patients reset the HPTA as described.

Here is the pdf from Dr. Scally
Maybe someone can look this over and make some sense of it. I haven't read through it all yet, hopefully its not old news. Sorry not trying to hijack the thread, but this may be similar to what OP did.