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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 1:01 am 
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Stumbled across this while researching a related topic. Lovastatin plus ezitimibe increases sterol binding proteins, which then promote a large (3x) increase in expression of 5 alpha reductase type 2.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19500568

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In this study, we show that sterol regulatory element binding proteins (SREBPs) regulate expression of Srd5a2, an enzyme that catalyzes the irreversible conversion of testosterone to dihydroxytestosterone in the male reproductive tract and is highly expressed in androgen-sensitive tissues such as the prostate and skin. We show that Srd5a2 is induced in livers and prostate from mice fed a chow diet supplemented with lovastatin plus ezitimibe (L/E), which increases the activity of nuclear SREBP-2. The three fold increase in Srd5a2 mRNA mediated by L/E treatment was accompanied by the induction of SREBP-2 binding to the Srd5a2 promoter detected by a ChIP-chip assay in liver. We identified a SREBP-2 responsive region within the first 300 upstream bases of the mouse Srd5a2 promoter by co-transfection assays which contain a site that bound SREBP-2 in vitro by an EMSA. Srd5a2 protein was also induced in cells over-expressing SREBP-2 in culture. The induction of Srd5a2 through SREBP-2 provides a mechanistic explanation for why even though statin therapy is effective in reducing cholesterol levels in treating hypercholesterolemia it does not compromise androgen production in clinical studies.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 3:28 am 
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this might be a breakthrough find bro,I think the human trials were at 40mg of each at 6-12 week trials.If this is the case it wouldnt cost more then 40 bucks a month to try it.man this is very good news,I think the recomended dosage is 10mg of each should be sufficient.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 5:42 am 
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Aren't the "statins" cholesterol reducing drugs? They have their own host of problems. Your body needs cholesterol to produce many things like cortisol, adrenaline, etc.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 11:19 am 
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Well -I have been on Lovastatin during the time off the drug and I can vouch that it has been no real help below the waist. I am on for high cholesterol - I will continue to take since it is the most natural of the statins


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 12:12 pm 
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Why don't you just change your diet?

scaredtodeath wrote:
Well -I have been on Lovastatin during the time off the drug and I can vouch that it has been no real help below the waist. I am on for high cholesterol - I will continue to take since it is the most natural of the statins


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 3:36 pm 
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Dude -I was a vegetarian for 20 years, never heavy and cut out just about all fat out of my diet. Diet and exercise can only bring cholestorl down 10-15%; in my case that would not be enough.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 4:17 pm 
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Being a vegetarian does not mean you have a diet that's good for high cholesterol. In fact high carb intake, which many vegetarian diets are, can be one of the worst things for high cholesterol, it all depends on what you eat.

Have you tried red rice yeast? My grandmother took this instead of a statin and it's brought her's into a normal range.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 5:00 pm 
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That is exactly what Lovastatin is - it is a naturall occuring substance found in red yeast rice...


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 6:11 pm 
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HMG-CoA reductase inhibitors, like lovastatin, have been found to greatly decrease Co q10 production. Co q10 has a key role in the mitochondria, the part of a cell that produces energy. So, not sure if the benefits outweight that side effect. Also, if your diabetic or have heart issues you want to steer clear of it.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 1:46 am 
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All good points, thanks. Anyone look at this ezitimbe ?

martinM, what was your total serum cholesterol? Docs are handing out statins like crazy, and I can show you data that indicates that if your total serum cholesterol is lower than 250 then you should not even bother. Small, dense LDL is the true marker of potential circulatory issues.

By the way, low fat diets have absolutely nothing to do with cholesterol metabolism. We need cholesterol to make testosterone and many other hormones.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 5:50 am 
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Do you have to be using both drugs at the same time? .......... is that what the study means?


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 6:50 am 
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kazman wrote:
All good points, thanks. Anyone look at this ezitimbe ?

martinM, what was your total serum cholesterol? Docs are handing out statins like crazy, and I can show you data that indicates that if your total serum cholesterol is lower than 250 then you should not even bother. Small, dense LDL is the true marker of potential circulatory issues.

By the way, low fat diets have absolutely nothing to do with cholesterol metabolism. We need cholesterol to make testosterone and many other hormones.

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No idea and I don't know if I will be able to get tested here.


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Tried this for two weeks... no noticeable effect.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 1:44 am 
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This article (check the Google cached version) appears to indicate that Ezetimibe by itself might act as a 5AR2 inhibitor

http://www.newsrx.com/health-articles/2186422.html

"Ezetimibe reduced prostatic enlargement in aged hamsters as effectively as finasteride and combining the two drugs worked better than either one alone ... finasteride caused atrophy of the hamster prostate while ezetimibe did not"


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 9:54 pm 
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kazman wrote:
"Ezetimibe reduced prostatic enlargement in aged hamsters as effectively as finasteride and combining the two drugs worked better than either one alone ... finasteride caused atrophy of the hamster prostate while ezetimibe did not"


I wonder who conducted that study...


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 10:08 pm 
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visionquest99 wrote:
I wonder who conducted that study...

I know what you did there...


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kazman wrote:
We need cholesterol to make testosterone and many other hormones.

http://www.renalandurologynews.com/hypogonadism-linked-to-statin-use/article/163939/

"After adjusting for potential confounders such as BMI and cardiovascular (CV) risk, both total and free testosterone levels were significantly lower in men taking statins than in those not taking the medications, the researchers reported in the Journal of Sexual Medicine (2010; published online ahead of print)"

Just something to think about. I also vaguely remember a conversation among a few guys on healthboards all talking about how they ended up with low T after using lovastatin etc...

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