PROPECIAHELP: Persistent Finasteride Propecia Proscar side effects info & discussion forum

I also agree... I think the main reason why my side effects stayed is because I messed with the dosages.. went from .25mg (3days) .35mg(2 days) .50mg (2 days).. I had no sides with the .25 but when i upped it to .50 thast when they came back and I hadnt recovered since.. LIke you said, perhaps our endocrine systems couldnt handle it and it crashed.. now knowing that, does that help with any type of recovery..

The thing is, guys over on the hairloss forum switch up there dosages/ don't take it some days all the time and it doesn't seem to make any difference.

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That is correct. The same applies with bodybuilders. Fin inhibits the same amount of dht no matter what dose (within limits) - it has a flat rate dose response. The issue, as I have stated before, is likely epigenetic or genetic hense it's rarity and variance in severity. Because of the current lack of knowledge and interest in the molecular scientific community, since our issue is - to be honest - miniscule - compared to let's say - aids or cancer - we may be stuck until either the press gets wind or the irwig study is released or some other geneticist/molecular scientist finds us interesting enough to test.

The whole thing is just so bizarre and crazy, I think that's why so many doctors/ guys on hair loss forums aren't convinced by it. Looking back, it all seemed so simple; I pop this pill for 6 months and see how it goes, any side effects along the way should be fine, if there not, quit the drug and deal with my hair loss. Things have turned out very differently indeed..

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If a geneticist/molecular scientist gets wind of this and find something to treat us with, and a resolution finally comes to fruition..I think this will help us build a class action lawsuit as well...eventually anyways..

I wish I had better news for you guys, but I finished a 6 week cycle of Hdrol and a 4 week PCT of Clomid and 40 days of Blue Up and I'm exactly where I was before. I took one week of 50 mg followed by 5 weeks of 75, and then the PCT.

I know that I didn't follow Scared's regimen exactly, but I figured it was better safe than sorry and took Clomid instead of the Inhibit-E. It's impossible to say for sure, but I'm inclined to think that it wasn't the specific mix of stuff he took that cured him if his cycle is what did it. The likelihood of someone suffering from these sides and then taking the exact right combination of chemicals to fix him seems very small to me, and it wasn't worth the risk of not recovering properly from a cycle like this for failure to use a SERM.

So why aren't I better? I don't know, but I would guess that it's because whatever is wrong with me is different from what was wrong with Scared, the inhibit-e was essential to the process or the key is a shutdown of the system and I didn't shut down.

About a month after I crashed I got a dull ache in my testicles and for a few days was getting real nocturnal and spontaneous erections, and my ejaculate was fuller and more forceful. That petered out after a few days but it made me hopeful that I could be started up again by something like this. have been getting partial nocturnal and morning erections since then and those didn't stop during the cycle. I didn't really suffer any side effects aside from pain in my lower back referred to by lifters as back pumps. I took 100mg one day instead of 75 because there was an extra pill and my testicles sucked up, but only at this time and for that day. Since my testicles stayed the same and I never lost my nocturnal erections, could it be that I didn't shut down, do you think? On the lifting forums guys say that Hdrol may not shut someone down, but it seemed to me that 6 weeks of a steroid was a guarantee to shutdown. Frankly, I'd feel a lot better if I had experienced some symptoms of shutdown, at least then I'd know that failure to shut down wasn't the reason I didn't improve. As it stands I'm tempted to try another cycle, either of a heavier dose or with a more powerful steroid. No one can know why Scared got better, but I still think shutdown is the most likely reason for something like this to work, as I don't see how these chemicals in particular could cure what ails us. Thoughts?

I thought perhaps my body wouldn't respond to the steroid, but I got significantly stronger and a bit leaner without seriously working out or watching what I ate.

Worth mentioning is that a few weeks into my PCT I got a surge from my testicles to the tip of my penis and that night my ejaculate shot out more forcefully than it had been. Maybe this cycle did something but wasn't enough to get me going? Maybe the Clomid had a small and temporary impact? No idea.

If you have any questions post them here. This site really brings me down but I'll try to come around and answer them.

Jack, thanks for posting again. It's good you did NOT take the Inhibit E.

I suggest you consult a naturopathic doctor who will consider your situation and whether he/she might be able to help prior to you spending any money on an appointment.

I have posted a link to a clinic and laboratory in Washington state, for example. I don't think that endocrinologists are the likely group of people to aid us, unless you find one who is more open-minded and progressive.

Jack......

Damn... Im currently 2 weeks into my Hdrol cycle and i had planned to do a full blown HCG/Clomid/Nolva PCT after it, even throwing sustain alpha and toco-8 in the mix, and why not D aspartic acid and blue up too with some inhibit E springled on it (yeah i know)

I started at 50mg for 3 days then went into 75mg (my current dosage). I planned to up the dosage to 100mg for the last few days and maybe extend the 6wks further by up to 4 days at 100mgs. Then start HCG (750 IU every 4 days) + vit E (or toco 8) + Nolva (low dose) for 2 weeks, Then Clomid + Nolva for 4 weeks, then Nolva alone for 2 weeks, tapered down. Maybe use a little bit of AI in the last week of Nolva and maybe use some AI for 2 more weeks. And use all those OTC PCT supps all this time (respecting the cycling instructions). Extending sustain alpha and toco 8 to 8 weeks total. Maybe use a couple a cycles of quercetin also after PCT to shrink the prostate after the steroids/serms abuse. Maybe some vitex to make sure prolactin is lowered.

I'm thinking, maybe Clomid is not good for us, remember the issue with GnRH? Check out this thread viewtopic.php?p=4271&highlight=various+points+treatment+nolvadex+clomid#4271

Maybe an AI rather than a SERM is a better PCT for our case?
Also I had tried DAA before, and it made me feel better, maybe it would be good for PCT in our case since it is proven to stimulate LH production (moreso than tribulus) without playing around directly with androgen and estrogen receptors (what SERMs do)?

A few questions to you jack :

+ How old are you?
+ How long ago did you stop your PCT?
+ What were the clomid dosage you used ? For how long ? Did you taper off?
+ How did you feel during the H-drol cycle ?

Im asking this because Clomid notoriously makes you feel like crap and kills your libido (acts like an estrogen in the brain), maybe you havent waited enough for it to clear your system ?
I also ask for the taper off because if you stop any high dose SERM abruptly it will leave you with high levels of circulating estrogen which can make you feel like crap AND maybe even shut you down again (they block Es from attaching to the receptors but dont "kill" them like AIs do). This is why i planned to taper off the nova AND use some AI at the end of PCT (not too much since this can also cause an estrogen rebound)

Also you said you didnt feel shutdown in cycle... well I thought that you were not supposed to "feel" shutdown on cycle since the steroid you are taking is replacing your own natural test (now lowered or annihilated) on the androgen receptors (hence the erections). You are supposed to feel shutdown after you end the cycle, at the beginning of PCT (and during the whole PCT if you are using clomid which makes you feel like a woman on her periods). SIze of testicles is said to be a poor indicator of HPTA shutdown.

I asked how did you feel during your Hdrol cycle ... Because Im feeling GREAT, like I used to feel pre-fin, and havent felt like this ever since those long gone times... I havent tested sexual activity yet though, but my mood etc is like it used to be pre-fin, which is pretty awesome...

I have high hopes in my protocol, probably like you did yourself, and can very well imagine how much you are disappointed right now!

Im thinking, try to live healthy, exercise , take natural supplements for about 8 weeks then maybe start a cycle again with a different PCT this time ? Maybe you clomid PCT duration wasnt enough ? Maybe you should have used exactly what scaredinmd had used ? Maybe you should have used nolva alongside clomid (like Dr scally advocates), and maybe you could give HCG a shot?

Thanks for your report, I hope to hear from you soon

I could be wrong but isn't HCG to keep your balls going while you're suppressed? I could be thinking of something else but I don't think that's for PCT, I think it's to be taken during the cycle because it is also suppressive. Like I said I may be thinking of something else, but just wanted to throw that out there.

Yeah Clomid may not be good and It's entirely possible that the Inhibit-E suppressed his estrogen so much after the cycle that it restarted him or something, I really have no idea. I just figured that it was better safe than sorry as far as PCT goes and I thought nolva and clomid were more or less the same, with people on boards suggesting that clomid was better for getting going again.

I'm 25. I ended the clomid around 3 weeks ago and the blue up 1 1/2 weeks ago.

for clomid I went 4 weeks, 100 the first week and 50 the next three.

During the cycle I felt pretty good. I haven't felt as off as other guys seem to, just depressed because of this whole situation, so I really didn't expect to feel too different on cycle, since I don't think I feel all that different after propecia. I may have been a little more energetic and such but nothing significant. I feel the same now so I don't think clomid is bringing me down, but who knows.

I know that you don't "feel" shutdown, I just brought it up because guys on boards often mention trouble sleeping, balls sucking up like it's cold, loss of nocturnal erections, etc. and I didn't experience those things. I feel the same now as I did on cycle and as I did before, which doesn't mean that I didn't shut down, it just made me wonder and I figured it was worth mentioning because I think the theory a few had on this board was that shutdown was key.

I think I'll probably take another one. I can't believe how much stronger I got without really even lifting the first three weeks, so I guess it's not my receptors, it's the test production (I know I have low T)?

I don't know if I could do a cycle without a SERM, it just seems like I may not recover and I'm still inclined to think that it wasn't the specific chemicals taken that caused the recovery. I could be completely wrong of course, and if someone is cured by doing what Scared did by all means tell me I'm wrong, but the risks seem greater to me than the likelihood that Scared took the exact right stuff, you know?

I'm interested to see how you do. Did you crash after a few months off of propecia? I'm not sure if Scared did and I think that seems to be a meaningful difference as far as recoveries go.

Sad to say I am not cured.
I was 100% for a while and then slowly it started to go away.
Now I take Hypertest by Axis Labs, 4 pills everynight before bed and I can get an erection everytime I try, but I never get nocturnal erections and my libido is bleh.

I needed to stay away from here because the constant reminded, coupled with a neurological diagnosis of Essential Tremors and a stressful job I had a breakdown.

I have done some eperimenting and the inhibit-e at 3 pills a day for the first week, 2 for the second 2 and 1 a day for the last with hypertest continued gives me about 3 months of normalcy. When I'm on the Inhibit my libido is Nil, but when it ends I get woodys just driving down the road looking at chicks. I'll take what I can get.

Once again, didn't want to leave anyone in the dark, but I had a meltdown and needed more time to accept my situation.

I have read a similar story to yours on here by some user called "letsconvenience"
I can't find his posts now..sadly..
he got cured by some kind of dopamine induced mechanism.

but over the period of 1 year or so..his sideeffects came back.
so he resorted to some naturopathy treatment from a guy named "ALex Tuggle"
they found out that he has got lots of copper in his liver..yes..copper toxicity

but over the period of time this guy got normal from the supplements he took which removed the copper deposited from his liver.

thought you could use some advice.

It seems the administrator has deleted his posts thinking it was a false recovery

hey..btw do you have brain fog?

Anyone hear from this guy? He hasn't been on this site for a year. I'm going to assume he recovered as he was doing pretty well then relapsed. Maybe things worked out for him.

There are a few people in forum like him and actually they are scaring me. At least they should come to forum sometimes and must say "hey we are still alive and we did not die because of PFS or treatments we applied".