PROPECIAHELP: Persistent Finasteride Propecia Proscar side effects info & discussion forum

0) Where are you from (country)?
Germany

1) How did you find this forum (Google search -- if so, what search terms? Via link from a forum or website -- if so, what page? Other?)
Google, erectile dysfunction and propecia
2) What is your current age, height, weight?
26, 190cm, 74kg
3) Do you excercise regularly? If so, what type of excercise?
Heavy lifting 2 times weekly and 1 time cardio

4) What type of diet do you eat (vegetarian, meat eater, raw, fast-food/organic healthy)?
organic healthy food, loots of vegi, fruits, fish with meet

5) Why did you take Finasteride (hair loss, BPH, other)?
hair loss

6) For how long did you take Finasteride (weeks/months/years)?
5 days

7) How old were you, and WHEN (date) did you start Finasteride?
25.04.2011 I was 26
8) How old were you when you quit, and WHEN (date) did you quit?
30.04.2011 I was 26

9) How did you quit (cold turkey or taper off)?
cold turkey

10) What type of Finasteride did you use – Propecia, Proscar, Fincar or other generic?
Propecia

11) What dose did you take (eg. 1 mg/day, 1 mg every other day etc.)?
I cut the pill in 1/4 so about 0.25mg (or round 1.5 mg in total, amazing)

12) How long into your use of Finasteride did you notice the onset of side effects?
on the 4th day

13) What side effects did you experience while on the drug that have yet to resolve since discontinuation?
etching in my gonads started on the 4th day and i had a very big ejaculate ..with a numb in genitalia aria in the 5th day then I stop it

Put an X beside all that apply:

Sexual
[x] Loss of Libido / Sex Drive
[x] Erectile Dysfunction
[ ] Complete Impotence
[x] Loss of Morning Erections
[x] Loss of Spontaneous Erections
[x] Loss of Nocturnal Erections
[ ] Watery Ejaculate
[x] Reduced Ejaculate
[ ] Inability to Ejaculate / Orgasm
[ ] Reduced Sperm Count / Motility

Mental
[ ] Emotional Blunting / Emotionally Flat
[x] Difficulty Focusing / Concentrating
[ ] Confusion
[ ] Memory Loss / Forgetfullness
[ ] Stumbling over Words / Losing Train of Thought
[x] Slurring of Speech
[ ] Lack of Motivation / Feeling Passive / Complacency
[ ] Extreme Anxiety / Panic Attacks
[ ] Depression / Melancholy

Physical
[x] Penile Tissue Changes (narrowing, shrinkage, wrinkled)
[ ] Penis curvature / rotation on axis
[x] Testicular Pain
[x] Testicular Shrinkage / Loss of Fullness
[x] Genital numbness / sensitivity decrease
[ ] Weight Gain
[ ] Gynecomastia (male breasts)
[ ] Muscle Wastage
[x] Muscle Weakness
[ ] Joint Pain
[ ] Dry / Dark Circles under eyes

Misc
[x] Prostate pain
[x] Persistent Fatigue / Exhaustion
[x] Stomach Pains / Digestion Problems
[ ] Constipation / "Poo Pellets"
[ ] Vision - Acuity Decrease / Blurriness
[ ] Increased hair loss
[x] Frequent urination
[ ] Lowered body temperature

[ ] Other (please explain)


14) What (if any) treatments have you undertaken to recover from your side effects since discontinuation of the drug?
take a Cipro do to a lot of blood wight cells and prostatitis symptoms the 2nd week of stop
made a total urinary check on 1.5 monhts of stop and was found streptococci took 5days penicilin
on a 2 monts of stop started a Levothiroxine T4 supplementation

15) If you have pre or post-Finasteride bloodtests, what hormonal changes have you encountered since discontinuing the drug (pls post your test results in the "Blood Tests" section and link to them in your post)?

16) Anything not listed in the above questions you'd like to share about your experience with Finasteride?
This drug is worst then any potent POISON, I would say probably worst then a cyanide

17) Tell us your story, in your own words, about your Finasteride usage and side effects experienced while on/off the drug.

You forgot to tell us your story?

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Hi all,

This is my first post and here is my story..
I made a profile about 2 months ago but doing blood test waiting for results and so on...

This is my story in short...

I took Propecia for a 5 Days(That's correct JUST 5 days), started 26.04.2011 and end 30.04.2011. The funny thing is that I even cut the pill on 4 peaces so I took a total of round 1.5mg of this Poison. Must be less then 2mg because I just catted 2 of those deadly pills. The first 3 days had no changes then on the 4 day during sex I had a very big ejaculate(noticing something is wrong here) next day wake up with a decreased filing in my genitalia, but i pop up the last 5th 1/4pill in the morning, the filing during the day was not going away, so I decide THATS IT, Im stopping the pills (I said in the very beginning having some side effects, I stop it immediately)

But then the problems started...

In the night wake up with a severe panic attack (This was the one and only that happen to me) the next day had a ZERO filing in my genitalia, and some itching with a constant pain in the left side starting at my low abdomen and having the pick at(in) my left testicle. Next couple of days kind of felt better, had some spontaneous erections and some better filing in genitalia, I also every day had hot chills, night sweats(menopause, low testosteron/dht signs )filing tired, and once severe nightmare. The pic came at the 5th day(was friday) I started having digestive problems also, and coudnt get out of bed, also hard time sleeping or not sleeping at all, my genitalia retracted, so to say get smaller(never seen them so small) . This 3 days I felt the worst, I passed the weekend some how, and went to doctor on Monday. He send me to urologist and he saw a lot of white blood cells in the urine, gave me a CIPRO for that, but i didnt started till Wednesday, because we decide it not to start before they took a blood for check on Wednesday morning, after this I started CIPRO for 5 days 2 times daily. Next 10 days I experience something unbelievable in one word! I cant say from what(Cipro related, or DHT hit back) but my genitalia returned to shape and not just to shape, my penis was all the time bigger and I havent seen the blood vessel that takes the blood back from the penis and situated on the top of it so big, I couldv get it up for no time, just some thinking for sex or stuff like that, or some small "action" and it was up in no time. The sperm count was about 70% from what it was before. And the filing of butterfly in my stomach was all the time there. The interesting part is that I wouldv found some girls I know attractive, which pre FIN was a joke to think of them like that.(I had a very active sex live, having 3 times daily was normal for me, but I always was very pike on girls)
Then my blood results came back:

Blood results on 09.05.2011 ( 9 days of stopping )

Thyroid:
freeT3 3.5 1.9-6.1 ng/l
freeT4 1.6 0.7-2.0 ng/dl
TSH 6.17 0.35-4.5 mU/l

Androgen
TotalTestosteron 1.64 2.2 - 9.1 ug/l
Estradiol 12.4 7,63-42,6 ig/l
Cortisol 28.77 6.2-19.4 ug/dl

25-Hydroxy -Vitam D 46.6 30-107 nmol/l
1.25 Dihidroxy-D3 51 18-62 pg/ml

All other "regular" stuff wore ok...
In one word..amazing....

After this my urologist send me to an endo, I had a meeting with him and we did a blood test (He was more oqupaid with my thyroid)
did a check and said by shape look all ok!

Here are the results on a 40days of stopping: 09.06.2011
its attached!!!


The endo after this test said I should take a levothirohine T4 supplement!
I was still thinking starting or not...(I didnt felt that bad this period, but i gad some of the hypothyroid symptoms)
and i made one more test for the thyroid on 24.06.2011
with this results:

TSH 3,04 0.27 - 4.2 µIU/mL

FT4 1,52 0.93 - 1.7 ng/dL

FT3 2,0 1.4 - 4.2 pg/ml


this result look better but last 6-7 days I feel the worst ever...
I have a low blood pressure its averaging 100/60 and I know from before was always round 120/80
also Im checking the morning temperature and its round 36.3-36.5 and during the days its round 36.8-36.9
i have almost all the time light headache and time to time light dizziness with a shortness of air..
so i decided to start the T4 3days ago, and I hope it well help because i feel very bad!!

If I dont feel ok tomorrow I plane to go to check my adrenal hormones, Im starting to feel some small like a pain in that area!!
maybe after 2 months providing high cortisol now they burn out...

As last, Im 26 and last 2 months have been a hell form me!

Hey,

I think you forgot to attach the test results after 40 days. Anyway, in the last test, your T3 is very low. Also, you must check RT3 too and saliva x4 cortisol to have a general picture of your hormonal situation.

Don't worry about your adrenal glands. A couple of months of high cortisol won't be a problem. If you are concerned, though, you may want to get a good B-complex supplement.

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My story: viewtopic.php?t=3556
My blood tests: viewtopic.php?p=19897#19897

Hi m_81,

Thx for the replay!!

I have read your story before and I think we are very similar!
You have my attach on the first part of the story(first post), you can see there i have "ok" values for the androgen hormons,
but my cortisol and TSH are high. I think that I probably have a high reverse T3 because of the high cortisol from the first day
of crash! which makes the biggest problems I have in the moment(severe Hypothyroid symptoms, didnt what to access this till now
i was waiting to see where my body will take me) but its going on a downgrade level here...

I plane to go tomorrow to speak with my MD to take a Cytomel(T3) also, so I can make a combination of morning 25mcg t4
and before bad time 25msg T3. Also he was saying we should do a urine 24hours check for cortisol.
What do you think about this?!

Also about the vitamins I order this stuff...
Biotics Research, ADHS Tablets
Biotics Research, Meda-Stim Tablets

u can google those very easy...
first is a adrenal supporter, and the other is a T4 -> T3 supporter

Like i wrote before this last week I feel very bad, I dont know is from the thyroid low T3 or its a andrenal fatigue...(after 2 months having high cortisol) the symptoms for those are so very similar..
I didnt write in my store but during all this 2 months I gave dropped about 4-5kg, dropping constantly..

You tested serum cortisol, which is completely useless because it measures total (and not free) cortisol. Last month I had both a 4x saliva test and a blood test in the same day. The blood test indicated low cortisol, while the free cortisol measured by the saliva test was several times higher than the top of the range.

in general, the rule is that if you have high cortisol, then probably your RT3 is fine. If you have low cortisol, then your RT3 is certainly high.


You don't know what's going on unless you test your hormones. What did the doctor say exactly?

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My story: viewtopic.php?t=3556
My blood tests: viewtopic.php?p=19897#19897

u need silivary cortisol test