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Chi I have followed your thread with great interest because I have almost all your symptoms including the blurry vision, which I find to be almost intolerable

I have started a pretty intense exercise program that is heavy on cardio and have been at for about a week now. I was wondering how long it took you to feel the benefits of exercise?

I did 3 months solid, every day without fail. I then decided to have a break as i was feeling good, that's when my body went through some form of anti-crash. Things have slipped away a bit since, but not as bad as before - I have done much less exercising recently though. I am about to start 6 months, including weightlifting. I don't think PFS will be able to handle what i am about to throw at it

hey man, it's all in my thread ! At the moment i am doing very little and feel OK. Not pre-fin but i am doing OK (bare in mind when i say i am doing very little i am still playing high level squash, doing yoga, eating fairly healthy, taking broccoli shakes etc.). The only thing i am not doing is daily exercise. However, i am about to fire up everything i have already said in my thread + weights this time and for 6 months solid. I am excited to see the results in 6 months time. It will be tough because it's winter now, but i'm a pretty determined person, always have been, so I can do it. I can fully recover from PFS, i really believe we all can but it is a slow process. You really need to have a hollistic approach though. Not just the odd weights or cardio session. It has to be continuous and put your body through all sorts of conditioning.

Wow, that's really interesting because you sound exactly like a sleep specialist doctor I saw recently.

I told him I felt like complete garbage, blurry vision, restless leg syndrome, always tired, no sexual function, poor sleep, and really bad anhedonia, and he told me that if I exercised every day for three months that he found it impossible to imagine I could still feel this crappy.

In my opinion, physical exercise is more than likely the only cure for PFS, but it's a tough road and it takes time

How to restore balls i really do not know. I agree with Solonjk that these appear to be affected very differently to the penis or other problems. I am working on some techniques but it's hard to know if any progress to date. I do think it's a blood flow problem to the testicles, though

Chi - please note anything you are doing specifically for tesicle size. Also - plese see the small ball club thread - STD

I am doing some very weird stuff that is quite difficult to describe in words. It is all physical at the moment. I have become certain that it is not to do with hormone issues, but is some form of blood flow / vessel problem. I think this is also responsible for the constant retreating. I think somehow i need to improve the health of the vessels down there, so i am doing physical things on that basis (in essence stretching ball sack, massaging balls, massaging vessels, massaging perinium). I am currently looking into the nutrition and supplement side to support the process, but it's hard to know where to start or what is a reliable source of information. There are many suggestions out there (often contradictory) and given my experience with propecia, i just feel happier doing natural things.

Each day i believe more and more that all the sexual issues are 80% a mechanical issue and 20% biological, and even the 20% biological is a direct result of the mechanical problems. After a week or so of taking a pro-active approach to healing my sexual issues with the aforementioned physical practice, i have seen a return of some libido at times, combined with random erections. Things are definitely going in the right direction but sometimes it is hard to gauge progress because it is so slow and not straight.

Are you still doing hot baths/ showers applied to groin area?

I have to disagree with you on the biological/ physical ratio. If anything, physical changes are caused by biological changes. We took a drug, not a kick to the balls.

Your sentence is contradictory or you did not understand what i said

I said the sexual issues are more than likely mechanical (physical, same thing), i did not deny that they were originally caused by a biological mechanism. However, i am saying that the biological mechanism is no longer the issue, it is the physical state that the organ(s) have been left in that is the issue. This does however cause some biological problems, but only a result of the phyical problem, hence mostly physical/mechanical issue. Bare in mind that i am only talking about the sexual problems. I am not saying that the 20% biological issues do not cause more and or worse effects elsewhere in the body.

Look at this in simple terms:

Imagine you took a drug that shrunk (narrowed) the arteries going to and from your heart. When taking the drug your heart aretries start to narrow and shrink. Then you stop the drug after a period of time.

What do you think happens to the arteries from that point?

Well logic tells me that they are not going to suddenly regenerate and become like they were before. You shrank them, biologically.

And what do you think happens to the body from this point?

Well basically the blood flow to and from your heart is reduced. This is a mechanical problem, not a biological one. However, it will more than likely have biological effects - For example, reduced oxygen flow to your limbs etc.

I hope i have made myself clear. In simple terms, i think our sexual problems and potentially other health problems are along the same lines.

I'm not doing that shower/hot bath thing you speak of

I understood perfectly the first time and there was no contradiction. I believe that a biological mechanism IS still the issue/ cause.

chi your heart example was a good one and this makes sense to me that arteries are effected and thus causing my penis numbness however why would this occur only when i stopped the drug and not the 2 years on it. your theory makes based on this fact.

I couldn't agree more with Chi.
the sexual problem is mechanical (at least for a part of us)

The echo doppler made along my cavernosal artery shows a spot with oedema/and inflammation:
basically it is a wound. so as strange as it can be yes now it is more similar to a kick in the genitals.

they see that the oedema is pressing my erectil nerve.
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moreover my blood flow is slightly altered (but this not the first cause of E.D.)

so is this fin related and if so after u quit or whilst on it?

Update 03/11/2011

Just started 6 month program of the following:

- Hill sprints every morning first thing after waking
- Broccoli shakes with MACA 1-3 times per day
- 1 triple strenght garlic daily
- 2 x triple strenght fish oil daily
- New: 3 day on 1 day off weights regime (exact one that Blunted cites on his member story)

After the 3 months of the previous regime i reported the following as completely resolved:
- Slowed beard growth - GONE
- Slow nail growth - GONE
- Slow wound healing - GONE
- Hair thinning - YES (Good sign!)
- Digestion problems / slowed metabolism - GONE
- No constipation, back to pooing once or twice a day

Other notable improvements:
- All mental issues much much better
- Vision almost 100%, still sensitive to light and not quite as sharp in the dark but better versus a few months back (Vision was 100% during my temporary recovery!)
- Can gain solid erections nearly all the time - watching porn/having sex. Can now manage sex 3 times daily (maybe more) without any supplments

Issues i am still struggling with again:
- Low libido, but can vary
- Seldom random erections
- Currently waking up between 3-4am and cannot get back to sleep
- Inability to fully relax
- Small / retracted testicles
- Penis sensitivity around 40%
- Continuous joint popping / clicking (knees, fingers, shoulders, chest)
- Dry / dark circles around eyes / slighty sunken
- Less masculature

Wish me luck with the new protocol! Based on the benefits i gained from the 3 months program I am very optimistic.

Cheers
Chi

my symptoms have spiralled out of control in the past 1-2 weeks, they progressed very badly, i don't know what the fuck has happened. i have some sort of urethral tract infection, but it's not bacterial (got it checked). it stings when i piss. i am also currently completely impotent. no idea what the fuck is going on, i also feel really weak, have loss of muscle and my sleep is awful again. I am simply amazed what this drug has done to me after less than 2 months. At the moment it feels like my body is slowly being destroyed no matter what i do to combat it. It is strange, because when i had this great release of all symtoms a month or so back some things changed for the better in my body. Vision improved, digestion improved etc... it seems though that my body is really struggling to cope at the moment for some reason. Area between my cock and arsehole has depleted. I pray to God that one day i look back on this post in perfectly good health

It sounds like your in a bad way Chi, be careful with the exercise mate. The infamous Solonjk ended up bedridden for two years when he kept pushing it with exercise to feel good.

You should go and see Myhill or maybe Peatfield would be worth a visit.

Chi sorry to hear about your current situation man. This could simply be your body reacting to your new regime. The first few weeks of a new weightlifting routine can be pretty taxing on your CNS and body overall... I know you've been active throughout your life but if you are new to weights the 3-days-on-1-day-off might be little much. I'd suggest taking a week off the weights (but maintain health via your earlier routine... sprints etc) and then ease into a 3-day-a-week lifting routine (ie. M-W-F) for a few months after which you could transition to a 4-5 day weights program. Also start tracking your weight and body fat% once every 2 weeks... this is a lot more accurate than eyeballing it. You may not have lost any muscle at all over the past couple of weeks.

Please feel free to disregard this message if it doesn't apply.

Take care,

i feel so helpless. i have this beautiful and amazing girlfriend. I think she is the most amazing person i have ever met, ever. Everything i was looking for and more. we have all these great plans for the future; house, kids, the lot. and it's all about to fall apart. i had a really perfect life before. my genital region is completely fucked at the moment, my balls are hard, small and dead, my arms feel so bony and my face looks so feminine.

FUCK YOU MERCK

FUCK YOU FOR FUCKING MY LIFE COMPLETELY YOU FUCK

Yeah, fuck you Merck you fucking cunts! Ruining my life for a few cents on your share value. I've got fucking impotence, no libido, muscle wastage and tits thanks to your stupid fucking poison pill. Also thanks to the money grabbing, evil cunts at 'inhouse pharmacy' or 'naturalhair.com' - you cunts know this is happening and still let it happen. Shut those fuckers down completely http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB4D-GbQ9A4

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