PROPECIAHELP: Persistent Finasteride Propecia Proscar side effects info & discussion forum

you are right. It is unbelievable that Merck has ruined so many lives (including mine) and the sadest part is that they get away with it.
I am suffering for almost eight years. I have never ever had a good sexual feeling during that time. Before finasteride I had great erections and a very high libido.

The official propecia site is down. Take a look:

http://www.propecia.com/sitedown.html

Please call the FDA number which is at the bottom of the page.

Would it be a good idea to set up a thread where we can get everyone to just clarify they have rang the number. We really need to guys.

Merck is scared, they took the site down because if or should I say when this gets to court it would look really bad for them to say they had information that propecia was harmful but still had their website posted. I am trying to contact news outlets and financial TV shows to get their attention on the Men's Health and Fitness article and this site and about the lawsuits. IF this could broadcast I think it would drive a selloff in their stock and make big news. Just the beginning of the hell they deserve!

Update chi?

Quick Update 14/12/2011

After a horrendous downturn in pretty much all symptoms for a period of approx 1 week, i then experienced a release of symptoms that got better and better and better and better..... until yesterday. However, for a period I really felt like my body had some rythem again; sleep was going from 10-5am or 5.30am almost uninterupted, then an extra 1 hr from 6-7am. I was also waking up ever so slightly more refreshed, reflected in a good 2 weeks work. It all seemed to coincide with focusing on my prostate area and weight training. The recent switch back to shit land was on the back of some prostate massaging that seemed to shrink my balls and get everything tracking in the wrong direction again. I wish i hadn't touched it because i was going good. I am more convinced than ever that most of my issues are related to the prostate region, irrespective of how little literature there is on the importance of the prostate to overall male health. I don't have prostate pain or urination problems, the tract infection also cleared up, but there definitely seems to be a correlation to my symptoms and prostate.

The prostate gland is so incredibly sensitive it is unbelievable. The best way to realise this is to go on a power plate in a gym (type it in to google and you'll see what i am talking about). Stand on the platform and put it on the most fierce vibration you can and for the longest duration. Try to get into positions that focus and intensify the vibrations in your prostate region. A good one is standing, legs shoulder width apart and straight, bending forward with your hands touching or almost touching the floor - basically a forward bend. You'll know when you hit the spot, because it will feel like someone is drilling a hole into your arse and all your insides are going to fall out. Sometimes it's so intense i need to change position, because otherwise i might shit myself.

It is incredible how much the mind and relaxation impacts the prostate, however. Somedays, i cannot get the vibrations into my prostate at all, and i know it is because i am too tense down there. Other days, when i am more relaxed, i get this drill like feeling. It actually helps if i take the supplement Male Respone - it has some saw palmetto and yohimbe, but the one I am really looking forward to test is Prosta-Q. I am still waiting for it to arrive but will report back with findings. I think this, combined with power plate prostate massages, will have to have some impact on the prostate region. I'll report back with findings, positive or negative.

Sometimes i can see full recovery on the horizon, i can feel it too, but the image and feeling can be trashed in an instant.

Chi

It amazing isn't it. I'm in another very good period myself. Its amazing how quickly things and change and then rebound. I don't undersand it. At least our bodies are have good periods. At least life is not totally passing us by.

Quick Update 21/12/2011

I have made an enormous stride forward again this past 1 week. I pray that it holds. My vision is 100% and i have noticed a marked improvement in libido, sexual functioning and sensitivity. I also feel pretty normal on the mental front. Balls have been maintaining normal size for about a week now, with a couple of short periods of shrinking. This additional ball weight/size seems to be helping to make my balls hang a bit lower (more normal).

Fingers crossed

If I'm still recovered in 1 month, I'm coming for those bastards.

Amazing this was posted 2009. When I reported my side effects to them in 2011, they explained to me that they have never heard of any complaint ever from any of their customers. I was told I was the first of thousands. This article says they had received 2 complaints in the past and this was in 2009.

I'll post it up soon, but I actually let my self loose on them during seriously bad times via email on 2 occasions. Both times I received this auto email like response about how they've never heard any complaints etc. One was from Mr Harris and the other was from Mrs Harris. Despite my complaints of persistent mental, physical and sexual side effects from their prescribed medication Propecia, they even had the cheek to send me a Christmas card this year...........

"We hope you had good 2011 completely and utterly screwed from the drug we prescribed you, merry christmas!"

Looking back on my experience there, I just knew there was something very dodgy about it, but I was so obsessed by loosing my hair I was dillussional and my judgement was poor.

Merry Christmas Chi.

Just to let you know, I am following your protocol, almost to the T. I need some iodine though. And I buy 4 or 5 protein bars each day and consume them throughout the day. I am hopeful of a recovery, thanks to you.

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"Finasteride was well-tolerated." Merck

"DHT does not appear to have any essential physiological role in the adult male." Merck to the FDA, November 1997

OK, day 5.

What do you want guys because I feel like an arsehole now sitting on the other side of the fence? You want me to keep coming here telling you how great it is and trying to justify and explain how this whole thing is a pelvic floor and prostate issue, or leave the forum for a few months?

I came up with a good analogy on PFS recovery this morning, all my creativity is back so I am on full blast. Just slept 8 hours straight for the first time in 11 months and woke up extremeley refreshed, on Christmas morning. This is the biggest Christmas present I will ever receive.

PFS Recovery Analogy (Don't laugh)

I see this recovery, and any other PFS recovery for that matter, a bit like trying to start up an old Renault 5 GT Turbo car that just won't start. I'm not sure if many of you know this car, but it's a bit of an English 'rude boy' or 'chav' car. However, it is pretty fast for such a small car and generally looks very sporty, albeit now very old fashioned and frankly a bit shit. It also has one of those dump valve things. Anyway, you get the picture. I'll let you give it the colour

So i'm trying to start the damn thing. I give it a push from behind...... Nothing.

OK, maybe I need more people to push it to try and jump start (I bit like doing hill sprints every morning for 3 months). So now there's about 2 people pushing. I think it starts to roll, but the engine is no where near fired up, plus any bumps in the road prove a problem for 2 people. I get a few more people into the equation (broccoli shakes with MACA, 2 drops of nascent iodine, ginger, fresh spring water etc. + high quality fresh frozen royal jelly + fish oil, zinc). The thing is rolling; i mean, it is going along the road, but not by itself, there must be some serious problem with the engine. If i stop the pushing the whole thing is going to stop, it'll just sit there and rot, get worse. I get even more people to push (competitive squash, working on sleep, systematic weight training (always increasing load like Blunted)). OK, so again the car is moving but no start. There's now over 10 people pushing the car, plenty enough to make the damn thing tick over and start, but it just won't do it.

OK, so what else is wrong. I get a dump valve specialist in to take a look at the dump valve. Maybe the dump valve needs to blow through the turbo and clean it out a bit. He checks the dump valve, he said there's no problems here but there's some kinks in the pipes preventing anything getting through to the engine and turbo. These kinks are actually causing a myriad of problems for the engine and there is no way you'll start it without fixing these, no matter what you throw at it. Fair play. I fix the kink in the pipes...... BOOM the dump valve blast through the pipes and the engine starts, the turbo kicks in and all of sudden the car flies. Everything works fine. I'm a bit embarressed how cheesy this is, but it's the best I had.

Maybe the heart example is better.

Merry Christmas to one and all. Good Luck in 2012!!

well done dude, thats awesome !

will you keep on working your pelvic floor to enhance your capacities even more ?


merry christmas




just one thing, about your analogy, I can tell u as a French lad that there is something very wrong in it...

Hahaha! Well yes, clearly it is a French car that many of the English chavs took to!

Anyway, I have not done any massages or anything since my balls swelled up again. I'm not sure i need to enhance my capabilities even further than being normal. Orgasm seems rediculously strong as it is, thought i was going to take off in to space this morning. Never realised just how much orgasm, numbness, size and ejaculate consistency was lost during the last 11 months. Once i am sure it has stuck, let's say 1 month or so, i'll report back with alot more details.

Buy this one http://www.althealth.co.uk/products/good-health-shop-nascent-iodine-30ml/


I'm not claiming to know everything, but i'd ditch protein bars and replace them with a regular intake of nuts & seeds, plus a few raisins to give your body some natural sugar. I've ate atleast 1 small pot of nuts, raisins & seeds everyday for about 6 months or so. It will be cheaper too. This is important, i lost all my savings the past 1 year. Everything.

Hey, I saw in your symptom list that you have had bloodshot eyes. With your recent episode involving the prostate, can you tell me any changes or episodes or what happened with your bloodshot eyes during this time? Or can you go more in depth to talk about your bloodshot eyes if you notice them certain times with certain activities/diet/lifestyle or anything else you can tell me?

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those who say it can not be done should not interrupt the people doing it

They completely go during times of 100%

Otherwise, particularly sensitive to light and also sweat, more prone to being red in the mornings. On the whole it's a controllable symptom with eye drops and alot of drinking fresh spring water. Vision varys, but mostly its just about acceptable now. However, during times of 100% I really notice the difference.

Quick Update 04/01/2012

I'm in a pretty bad state at the moment, but feel that i am slowly homing in on the route causes and exact mechanisms of PFS, which is exciting. I've established for myself that the pelvic floor issue is definitely causing the PFS symptoms, but it made me think about what was causing the pelvic floor issues. The muscles are in spasmism sure, but why? Well GABA is related to muscle relaxation and it's pretty clear i'm low on GABA; poor sleep, i do get random freak muscle twitches where a limb will just fly out (particularly when going to sleep) and a generally feeling of anxiousness. I took a read at Ithappens thread and everything in here made alot of sense to me.

I'm booked in with my GP tomorrow, looking for a referral to a sleep specialist near me, then looking for Xyrem prescription.

Referral to sleep centre is done, just awaiting their response!

That's not a bad theory if you ask me. You will do very well to get Xyrem in the UK but please let us know if you do.