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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 5:45 pm 
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Well Guys,finally got my Masteron Enanthate last week and started with a relatively low dose(by JN's standards) of 600 mg for the first week.I will keep everyone up to date and I hope that I can achieve at least a 60-75% return to normal someday.I plan to increase the weekly doses but the problem is cost of this drug from the bodybuilding underground.Customs is very tough here so forget the idea of shipping a kilo of raw powder from China.
I've attached my story and bloodwork.

http://www.propeciahelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3381
http://www.propeciahelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3380


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 7:41 pm 
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Time for an update for anyone who is interested.I'm in my third week of Masteron at 600mg/wk.Since about 7 days ago I am waking up with erections(70-80% hard) and am able to maintain the erection for 5 to 10 mins as I lay in bed.This has not happened in over 2 years!Next there is a definite increase in libido and sexual thoughts.I also have the urge to look at porn and masturbate several times in the week.The problem is still ED though.I'm basically masturbating with a 60% erection.Now if I use Levitra then I get a great erection along with a high degree of sex drive behind it.But I'll save that for the wife,not the box of tissues.
It's too early to get excited.Let us wait and see as the weeks and months go on if this will last.
BTW no acne but a big increase in facial oil production(which I had alot to begin with).
Also have to note that the ejaculate is more thick and whitish as opposed to the 2 years of ejaculating a couple of drops of water.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 1:59 pm 
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This is very interesting...You are another subject who it's working for along with JN.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 2:42 pm 
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Well congrats but interestingly note Masteron is MILDLY androgenic but MASSIVELY anabolic. (I only learned this after messing myself up on it).
It will suppress T as well if you're not on TRT.
Proviron is highly androgenic and mildly anabolic and I would say more appropriate to our needs than Masteron (although wow, yes, you get a real hit with Masteron due to its 100% bioavailability).
You sound like you respond to DHT.
That is why Andractim (in theory) could be perfect for you. Hopefully for me too. I should get mine in a few hours.
Bear in mind that I wish I'd never taken Masteron as it is a BIG anabolic load and you could mess yourself up.

JN


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 2:24 pm 
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Agreed JN,I am planning to see how long I maintain a good response with Masteron and then I might switch over to Andractim.I'm keeping an eye on your response to Andractim.Good luck!


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 8:27 pm 
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Whalen,

Good stuff. It is nice to get a boost tho, huh?
Listen, think seriously about this....one can buy Mesterolone powder (Proviron powder). Considering Mesterolone is only 4% bioavilable in oral tablet form, I really wonder what intramuscular Proviron would do with 100% bioavailability. I ALWAYS notice a difference with 2 tabs of Proviron.

Please contact me via PM for this.

JN


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:01 am 
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Well I'm starting to feel a major drop in libido over the last week or so.Also I forced myself to masturbate a couple of times in the last week and the ejaculate is getting smaller in volume and more watery!!!
Oh God....don't tell me that I'm getting "used" to the Masteron and thus starting to feel less effect ...Ideas anyone.
BTW JN I'm working on getting the raw Mesterolone powder and will be trying it hopefully in the next 4 to 6 weeks.


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Hey,

Your endogenous T is probably falling. DHT suppresses HPTA. As stated, you need to be on TRT if taking DHT.

I should get mesterolone powder within 4 days. Unfortunately it's going to be IM injections twice daily until I can find a way of esterifying it.

JN


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Whalen,

As JN states, DHT suppresses the HPTA. Your testosterone could well be sub 200 which would cause erectile dysfunction.

TRT, HCG, DHT and small amounts of Arimidex to control E2. I believe that would be the correct regimen.


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Thanks for the replies JN and Anonn,
but I am(and have been for 8 years) on TRT of 100mg Cypionate weekly.So now what???
BTW as I noted above,in a previous post,even when there was a boost in libido I still couldn't kick the bloody erectile dysfunction.I'm too young(38) to have to use Levitra for the rest of my life!?But for now I don't have a choice....


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PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2010 12:47 am 
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Ok whalen, I think you need to get some bloodwork done....Reason being is the amount of Masteron you are taking may still be suppressing your Test. levels, even though you are on TRT...You may have to up your TRT dosages to feel better. I'm not a doctor but that's what I'm thinking here....

Consistent bloodwork is important...especially when your messing with hormones...


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PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2010 10:57 pm 
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I wanted to update everyone on my situation....As stated toward the end of April I felt a drop in all the good feelings that I was experiencing from 500mg/wk of Masteron. Well summer is here and regardless of my libido problems...I like to look good...so I began a steroid cycle 2 weeks ago.It consists of 400mg/wk of SuperTest,Arimidex 1/2 tab twice weekly and an oral Test 30mg/daily(Turinabol).I'm taking a break from Masteron to see what happens...
It appears that my libido is returning along with lots of erections and that "horny" feeling/tingling.Let me enjoy this as I doubt it will last....BTW I'm adding in HGH (4 IU 5 days/wk)for the next 6 months...not for libido experimenting but simply cosmetic reasons and I've never tried it and want to see what will happen.
After the damage that Fin did to my life, I just don't care anymore...My wife is starting to talk about our lack of sex/erection problems etc.We'll see where that ends up???
Keep u all up to date this summer!


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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2010 1:37 am 
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I truely believe the DHT you were taking suppressed even your TRT at the time. It looks like your TRT protocol now is working...Just monitor estrogen, you should be fine I think...


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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2010 4:03 pm 
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This is all bullshit. So many men are suffering here, so many relationships are endings, so much heartbreak. And why?
Because DHT preparations are not commercially available and hence not used.

Whalen, your steroid cycle is going to do nothing in the long run for you.

Given your good response to Masteron, why do you not attempt to acquire androstanolone (DHT) injections?

The truth is that this could have been sorted out years ago.
I find this all rather embarrassing.

JN


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PostPosted: Fri May 28, 2010 1:09 am 
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Thank you for the feedback Anonnn and JN.I did a search for Apeton Depot(the injectable version of androstanolone)and it appears that in most cases it is no longer available as people are using Masteron instead.There are alot of fakes in circulation and not worth the risk.We are better off to order the raw powders and make it ourselves.
JN I do appreciate your point that a steroid cycle will not solve anything...but I think you might be able to relate to what I am about to say... and that is that I just don't care about my health anymore...for God's sake I'm might be divorced soon in part because I can't maintain a bloody erection...so rather than drink,gamble,use recreational drugs etc. I choose to focus on bodybuilding.
Anonnn I think that you make a good point about suppression as I am feeling pretty good on the high dose Test along with the low dose Arimidex.Let's hope this lasts.
I feel that Fin has given me some kind of irreversible erectile dysfunction as even with a high libido,and improved ejaculate quality, I can't maintain the erection without the use of some Viagra type substance.For me,sex has become a job and not something I look forward to.


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PostPosted: Fri May 28, 2010 1:13 am 
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Whalen,

There maybe a neurosteroid deficiency related to our problems. We cannot discount that...Part of it is hormones, but not all...High doses of Testosterone does the trick, dustin on this board is an example...Like you though, he needs some cialis or viagra...He said he took a low dose of cialis(like 1/3 of a pill) per day and it does the trick..


I think we are getting close...

Also, how is your Thyroid function? I'm borderline Hypothyroid...TSH and T3 levels shows it.


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PostPosted: Fri May 28, 2010 1:25 am 
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Anonnn,
my Thyroid profiles are fine according to last bloodwork in January.I was aware of Dustin's success with high dose TRT but I didn't know that he still needed Cialis.Listen, I don't mind using a pill once or twice a week but the thing that scares me is the possibility that our bodies may get used to the pill and thus it may eventually stop working.I'm 38yo and might be looking at another 35 yrs of pill-popping.That's why I try to avoid sex more than once or twice a month.If I feel the urge I prefer to do it myself or go for a lap dance rather than pop a pill.Let's hope that Dr.Irwig is able to resolve this in the next couple of years...


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 4:03 pm 
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Just to keep things up to date....So far so good on the above protocol which is
Test 400mg/wk
Arimidex(1/2 tab every three days)
HGH (4IU per day...5 days/wk)
Oral Test (30 mg/day)
I can honestly say that I am "super" horny about 3 or 4 days a week.I do have ED however and my drive can disappear almost as quickly as it appears.You might say it comes in"peaks and valleys".For example over the last three days I had to masturbate 9 times...at some points just to be able to get to sleep...and I had to deal with erections all night.However this is usually short lived....in a day or two I could drop to almost nothing for several days.Hard to understand what is really going on...if my 5ARII is truly finished,then where is all this drive coming from???Also losing my hair...badly!!!
I wish I could do a full blood panel at 3am when I wake up with raging wood and the desire to screw a porn star...lol. Might be able to then narrow down what hormones create this state.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 9:18 am 
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Is it the HGH or the high TRT which is resposnible for this or can't you tell? Is this costing $$$$$?

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:04 pm 
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Luckfax...I don't know what is causing the good feeling...that's the billion dollar question that we are all trying to figure out because that would indicate the area(s) of our systems that were damaged by Fin.However I personally "feel" that it's something to do with the HGH because I've boosted my weekly Test doses in the past and felt nothing at all.


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